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    SpaceX fires employees who blasted Musk in letter: report

    Lol.

    Private spacecraft engineering company SpaceX, run by Elon Musk, fired employees on Thursday who took part in disseminating a letter that criticized its founder and CEO.

    Employees told The New York Times that those behind the letter, which they posted in a company messaging channel and circulated online on Wednesday, were investigated and asked to leave SpaceX.

    “The letter, solicitations and general process made employees feel uncomfortable, intimidated and bullied, and/or angry because the letter pressured them to sign onto something that did not reflect their views,” the company’s president and COO, Gwynne Shotwell, wrote in an email to employees obtained by the Times. “We have too much critical work to accomplish and no need for this kind of overreaching activism.”

    The letter shared by now-former employees of SpaceX called Musk’s behavior “a frequent source of distraction and embarrassment,” especially blasting his recent comments online.

    “As our CEO and most prominent spokesperson, Elon is seen as the face of SpaceX — every Tweet that Elon sends is a de facto public statement by the company. It is critical to make clear to our teams and to our potential talent pool that his messaging does not reflect our work, our mission, or our values,” read the letter, which was shared with The Verge.

    Musk, who is in the midst of closing a $44 billion deal to buy Twitter, regularly breaks SpaceX’s “No Asshole” policy, employees said, and they called on the company to “hold all leadership equally accountable” for its rules and “publicly address and condemn Elon’s harmful Twitter behavior.”
    https://thehill.com/policy/technolog...letter-report/


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    I have no doubt that Musk is an asshole. If his public persona is indicative of his approach to interacting with employees, I would not choose to work for him. I have, in ffact, resigned from positions in which someone like him became my supervisor or manager.

    That said, he owns the company. You don't trash the owner and expect to keep working there. You find another job, and don't burn your bridges. As satisfying as would have been to have told off the asshole store manager when I quit my first job in retail, I thanked him for all he had taught me (oh, yeah, he taught me that I hated retail and sexist pig managers were rampant in retail, but I left that part out of my letter of resignation). You don't trash the company while working for the company, and you don't burn your bridges, because you never know who that asshole knows or is related to.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
      I have no doubt that Musk is an asshole. If his public persona is indicative of his approach to interacting with employees, I would not choose to work for him. I have, in ffact, resigned from positions in which someone like him became my supervisor or manager.

      That said, he owns the company. You don't trash the owner and expect to keep working there. You find another job, and don't burn your bridges. As satisfying as would have been to have told off the asshole store manager when I quit my first job in retail, I thanked him for all he had taught me (oh, yeah, he taught me that I hated retail and sexist pig managers were rampant in retail, but I left that part out of my letter of resignation). You don't trash the company while working for the company, and you don't burn your bridges, because you never know who that asshole knows or is related to.
      What gets me is the absolute gall of these people. Musk is a moderate, but if he doesn't agree with them 100%, he is a bad man. Fuck them.

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      • #4
        Dumbots. Its his company.

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        • #5
          Someone was paid to do this. My bet is a union.

          Lots of shadow union salting going on, and some are taking the "unconventional" approach to "speak truth to power" to grab headlines and then file lawsuits.
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            Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
            I have no doubt that Musk is an asshole. If his public persona is indicative of his approach to interacting with employees, I would not choose to work for him. I have, in ffact, resigned from positions in which someone like him became my supervisor or manager.

            That said, he owns the company. You don't trash the owner and expect to keep working there. You find another job, and don't burn your bridges. As satisfying as would have been to have told off the asshole store manager when I quit my first job in retail, I thanked him for all he had taught me (oh, yeah, he taught me that I hated retail and sexist pig managers were rampant in retail, but I left that part out of my letter of resignation). You don't trash the company while working for the company, and you don't burn your bridges, because you never know who that asshole knows or is related to.
            I don't assume that. My personal experience hobnobbing with very successful people (not in a work setting) is that they ware almost always extraordianrily gracious and engaging people. I shouldn't be surprised, really, since in their upward climb their social skills would be of utmost importance, especially in marketing or managing. Simply put, when people like you they want you to succeed. Maybe they can sour at the top—certainly there's enough ego at the ready—but being a genuine asshole is a hindrance, I believe.

            Good advice here: "You don't trash the owner and expect to keep working there."

            Goes well with another bromide of mine, a Saturday Seminar suggestion I gave a boss a few years ago who was struggling with entry-level employees:"How to keep your job by showing up for work."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Newman View Post
              I don't assume that. My personal experience hobnobbing with very successful people (not in a work setting) is that they ware almost always extraordianrily gracious and engaging people. I shouldn't be surprised, really, since in their upward climb their social skills would be of utmost importance, especially in marketing or managing. Simply put, when people like you they want you to succeed. Maybe they can sour at the top—certainly there's enough ego at the ready—but being a genuine asshole is a hindrance, I believe.

              Good advice here: "You don't trash the owner and expect to keep working there."

              Goes well with another bromide of mine, a Saturday Seminar suggestion I gave a boss a few years ago who was struggling with entry-level employees:"How to keep your job by showing up for work."
              I have to kind of agree here. My understanding is that Musk actually pays his employees rather well and they have good benefits and the like, and I rather doubt that anyone working for SpaceX has ever been scraping by on measly wages. Far too big of a market for what are otherwise brilliant engineers to have these people working at minimum wages.

              Is Musk an asshole of an employer? Maybe, but I kind of doubt it. Being an asshole and running off good and rare talent (let's face it: just exactly how many rocket scientists are there out in the job market?) is not really the way to run a successful business that landed a spaceship on a moving comet.

              I suspect that Musk is a very driven and hard-driving boss who challenges his employees daily to improve, but someone got pissed off that he wasn't toeing the Democrat line, and set off a chain of events that resulted in a lot of people getting fired because they were brilliant, but stupid at the same time. If someone had come around and wanted me to trash the owner/board of directors/etc. of a company without REAL good reason (like criminal conduct), I would have told them that off is the direction in which they should fuck and I don't want anything to do with your crap while I'm busy trying to make a living over here.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post

                What gets me is the absolute gall of these people. Musk is a moderate, but if he doesn't agree with them 100%, he is a bad man. Fuck them.

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