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    Schools seek changes to healthier lunch rules

    MARY CLARE JALONICK
    Associated Press

    ALEXANDRIA, Va. (AP) -- Becky Domokos-Bays of Alexandria City Public Schools has served her students whole-grain pasta 20 times. Each time, she said, they rejected it.

    Starting next school year, pasta and other grain products in schools will have to be whole-grain rich, or more than half whole grain. That includes rolls, biscuits, pizza crust, tortillas and even grits.

    The requirement is part of a government effort to make school lunches and breakfasts healthier. Championed by first lady Michelle Obama, the new standards have been phased in over the last two school years, with more changes coming in 2014.

    Some schools say the changes have been expensive and difficult to put in place, and school officials are asking Congress and the Agriculture Department to roll back some of the requirements. Their main concerns: finding enough whole grain-rich foods that kids like, lowering sodium levels and keeping fruits and vegetables from ending up in the trash.

    In interviews, school nutrition directors across the country mostly agreed that healthy changes were needed in school lunches -- long famous for daily servings of greasy fries and pizza. Kids have adapted easily to many of the changes, are getting more variety in the lunch line and are eating healthier. USDA says more than 90 percent of schools are meeting the standards.

    But Domokos-Bays and other school nutrition directors say they would like to see some revisions. They say the standards were put in place too quickly as kids get used to new tastes and school lunch vendors rush to reformulate their foods. When kids don't buy lunch, or throw it away, it costs the schools precious dollars.

    "The regulations are so prescriptive, so it's difficult to manage not only the nutrition side of your businesses but the business side of your business," Domokos-Bays said.

    Schools don't have to follow the requirements, but most do -- if they don't, they won't receive government subsidies reimbursing them for free and low cost lunches for low-income kids.

    Some of the main challenges reported by school nutrition directors:

    --Whole grains. While many kids have adapted to whole grain rolls, breads and even pizza crusts, some schools are having problems with whole grain-rich pastas, which can cook differently. USDA's Janey Thornton, a former school nutrition director, says the government is working with the food industry to develop better pastas.

    Whole grains have also proved a hard sell for some popular regional items, like biscuits and grits in the South. Lyman Graham of the Roswell, New Mexico, school district says tortillas are one of the most popular foods in his area, but the whole wheat flour versions are "going in the trash."

    --Sodium. Schools will have to lower the total sodium levels in school meals next school year and then will have to lower them even further by 2017.

    School lunch directors say the 2017 target -- 935 milligrams total in an elementary school lunch and 1,080 milligrams in a high school lunch -- isn't feasible and say kids will reject the foods. USDA's Thornton acknowledges the food industry isn't there yet but encourages frustrated school lunch directors to "worry about today first before we imagine the worst down the road."

    --Fruits and vegetables. The standards require every student to take a fruit or vegetable to create a balanced plate. The reaction among students has been mixed. "If the kids don't eat the food, then all I have is healthy trash cans," said Peggy Lawrence, director of nutrition at Georgia's Rockdale County Public Schools.

    --Healthier snacks. Schools will for the first time this year have to make sure that all foods, including vending machines and a la carte lines, meet healthier standards. While many schools have already moved to make snacks healthier, others depend on snack money to help operate their lunchrooms and are worried about a sales dip.

    The School Nutrition Association has asked Congress and USDA to only require that 50 percent of foods be whole grain-rich, to suspend the 2017 sodium requirements and to stop requiring students to take a fruit or vegetable.

    Margo Wootan, a nutrition lobbyist for the Center for Science in the Public Interest who has pushed for healthier meals, says relaxing those standards could gut the program. "You can't call a meal a meal without a fruit or vegetable," she said.

    USDA has shown some flexibility already: In 2012, the department scrapped maximums on proteins and grains after students complained they were hungry.

    USDA's Thornton says problems will lessen as the food industry creates healthier products. "I'll bet that five or seven years down the road, we'll see kids eating healthy food and we'll see acceptance," she said.

    Republicans who have complained of government overreach say they may intervene before then. Alabama Rep. Robert Aderholt, the Republican House chairman of the spending committee overseeing USDA, has said school districts need a "pause" while problems are worked out.

    Aderholt's panel is expected to release a new spending bill this month that may propose changes. Republicans also are eying the next five-year renewal of the school foods policy, due in 2015.

    Sam Kass, senior policy adviser for nutrition at the White House, said last month that there have been "tremendous gains" in school foods and said he finds efforts to undermine that disappointing. "First and foremost, the key is not going back," he said.

    At Alexandria's Patrick Henry Elementary last Tuesday, students said they loved their lunches and gobbled up plump strawberries. Kindergartner Jade Kennedy said she recently tried kiwi at school for the first time.

    But Domokos-Bays said she will serve white pasta to the students until she has to make the change this summer. Tuesday was pasta day, and several children said it was their favorite lunch -- "better than my mom made," first-grader Ruth Gebregiorgis said.
    CSPI is basically a puppet-arm for PETA.

    I don't understand this whole grain fetish. If 90% of your nutrition comes from rice or bread, then whole grains would let you live a little longer but that never happens outside of war or prison. If you are eating a regular diet of any kind (including a "junk food" diet), the tiny amount of additional niacin and fiber just doesn't make a difference nutritionally.

    If you want to serve a healthy lunch just serve a plain lunch: baked chicken, steamed veggies, and a starch with butter. Kids won't be wild about it but they'll eat it. Serve that and a veggie option (more veggies, no chicken).

    WTOP
    "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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    Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
    CSPI is basically a puppet-arm for PETA.

    I don't understand this whole grain fetish. If 90% of your nutrition comes from rice or bread, then whole grains would let you live a little longer but that never happens outside of war or prison. If you are eating a regular diet of any kind (including a "junk food" diet), the tiny amount of additional niacin and fiber just doesn't make a difference nutritionally.

    If you want to serve a healthy lunch just serve a plain lunch: baked chicken, steamed veggies, and a starch with butter. Kids won't be wild about it but they'll eat it. Serve that and a veggie option (more veggies, no chicken).

    WTOP
    Honestly, that was basically what we had growing up in our cafeteria. I have a weird memory. If I give it some thought I could recreate my entire elementary school menu. It was simple. It wasn't great, but I had a few favorites and if I wasn't packing lunch it was edible. I wouldn't choose it over my mother's or my grandmother's cooking, but it was fine. Lunch doesn't have to be gourmet, nor does it have to be the kid's favorite thing. It has to be edible and somewhat nutritious. If the kid is hungry, he'll eat it, or he'll pack a lunch.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
      Honestly, that was basically what we had growing up in our cafeteria. I have a weird memory. If I give it some thought I could recreate my entire elementary school menu. It was simple. It wasn't great, but I had a few favorites and if I wasn't packing lunch it was edible. I wouldn't choose it over my mother's or my grandmother's cooking, but it was fine. Lunch doesn't have to be gourmet, nor does it have to be the kid's favorite thing. It has to be edible and somewhat nutritious. If the kid is hungry, he'll eat it, or he'll pack a lunch.
      Simple is better for kids. It's actually better for most people. Novel tastes and spices usually make people eat more than they would if presented with a much simpler dish. Almost all "exotic" food is festival food. It's super tasty because it's something using more expensive ingredients or taking more time and effort.

      The average Mexican peasant wasn't eating meat/cheese enchiladas every day just like the average Chinese peasant wasn't eating Happy Family every day.

      People who eat a fairly routine diet most of the time weigh less than people who have easy access to variety. They aren't scary skinny, they are just less likely to be porkers. You can only eat so much meatloaf, soup, or salmon patties (frequent American meals until the mid-80s). When families budgeted meals, there was usually a predictable rotation of foods and leftovers. The familiarity helped to curb appetites. Not a lot of people decided to have that third helping of tuna casserole even if they could afford it.
      "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
        Simple is better for kids. It's actually better for most people. Novel tastes and spices usually make people eat more than they would if presented with a much simpler dish. Almost all "exotic" food is festival food. It's super tasty because it's something using more expensive ingredients or taking more time and effort.

        The average Mexican peasant wasn't eating meat/cheese enchiladas every day just like the average Chinese peasant wasn't eating Happy Family every day.

        People who eat a fairly routine diet most of the time weigh less than people who have easy access to variety. They aren't scary skinny, they are just less likely to be porkers. You can only eat so much meatloaf, soup, or salmon patties (frequent American meals until the mid-80s). When families budgeted meals, there was usually a predictable rotation of foods and leftovers. The familiarity helped to curb appetites. Not a lot of people decided to have that third helping of tuna casserole even if they could afford it.
        Uhhh...no. I can honestly say that my Irish/Italian/Ukrainian/Slovak families did not regularly eat salmon patties. In fact, to this day, I've still never had one. That's that weird Nordic heritage of yours.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
          Uhhh...no. I can honestly say that my Irish/Italian/Ukrainian/Slovak families did not regularly eat salmon patties. In fact, to this day, I've still never had one. That's that weird Nordic heritage of yours.
          Maybe you had the tuna version on Fridays. Or fish sticks (something we seldom had).
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
            Maybe you had the tuna version on Fridays. Or fish sticks (something we seldom had).
            Not me. We never had fishsticks. We did have tuna on Fridays (although I didn't...just toast for me that night).

            For us, fish consisted of baked flounder. That was it. I hated it. We didn't have it more than once a month.

            My grandmother would make baccala (salted cod). I didn't eat that either. Shrimp cocktail was a rare treat on Christmas at times (later it became a standard, as that was my mother's Christmas present to her father).

            We just really weren't a seafood family. Too expensive (except for the tuna and the occasional flounder). I finally started eating fish due to the Fishamajig sandwich at Friendly's, its cousin at Arthur Treacher's or at McDonald's. I also would sometimes get fried shrimp on those rare occasions we were at a restaurant that served such a thing.

            Our standard 2 week rotation....some kind of "macaroni" every other weekend with meatballs and sausage; pork chops; either roasted or fried chicken; liver and onions; meatloaf; london broil (usually freezer burnt); pork loin and pot roast. We mixed it up with Elios pizza, pancakes and grilled cheese.
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            • #7
              Thinking back on elementary school, I recall that we had a salad bar starting in about the third grade, and it was amazingly popular. Nothing particularly spectacular, but a nice variety, and kids could get what they want. The one rule was that kids had to get at least 50% lettuce (enforced solely by an eye-balling by the lunch room lady), but beyond that, they could put whatever cheese, carrots, croutons, broccoli, etc. that they wanted, with a typical variety of dressings: Italian, ranch, blue cheese, etc. IIRC, a salad bar and a carton of either milk or Jungle Juice was $1.75. The salad bar was picked clean pretty much every day, even on pizza day.

              Was it ideal nutrition? Not likely. Most kids (myself included) probably had "too much" dressing and the croutons and cheese probably would have made Michele Obama shriek in horror, but it meant that kids got some good roughage and some veggies and didn't eat greasy pizza or just ate twinkies.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Adam View Post
                Thinking back on elementary school, I recall that we had a salad bar starting in about the third grade, and it was amazingly popular. Nothing particularly spectacular, but a nice variety, and kids could get what they want. The one rule was that kids had to get at least 50% lettuce (enforced solely by an eye-balling by the lunch room lady), but beyond that, they could put whatever cheese, carrots, croutons, broccoli, etc. that they wanted, with a typical variety of dressings: Italian, ranch, blue cheese, etc. IIRC, a salad bar and a carton of either milk or Jungle Juice was $1.75. The salad bar was picked clean pretty much every day, even on pizza day.

                Was it ideal nutrition? Not likely. Most kids (myself included) probably had "too much" dressing and the croutons and cheese probably would have made Michele Obama shriek in horror, but it meant that kids got some good roughage and some veggies and didn't eat greasy pizza or just ate twinkies.
                No salad bars in my day, but by high school salad was also an option instead of a "platter". I didn't buy lunch in high school as much as I did earlier on (no money by then) so my memory isn't quite as good on our options.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by phillygirl View Post

                  Our standard 2 week rotation....some kind of "macaroni" every other weekend with meatballs and sausage; pork chops; either roasted or fried chicken; liver and onions; meatloaf; london broil (usually freezer burnt); pork loin and pot roast. We mixed it up with Elios pizza, pancakes and grilled cheese.
                  We always had fish or some meatless thing on Friday. Otherwise it went something like liver and onions, pot roast (often venison), meatloaf, spaghetti and meatballs, chili (both kinds), chicken and something or pork and something, the dreaded casserole, breakfast for dinner, and creamed mystery meat.

                  Now, we had a lot of other things seasonally but we always had a rotation. The women in my family were way too busy working the ranch to come up with novel foods every night and the hired help would have been suspicious. We did have a lot of Scandi things on special occasions.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
                    We always had fish or some meatless thing on Friday. Otherwise it went something like liver and onions, pot roast (often venison), meatloaf, spaghetti and meatballs, chili (both kinds), chicken and something or pork and something, the dreaded casserole, breakfast for dinner, and creamed mystery meat.

                    Now, we had a lot of other things seasonally but we always had a rotation. The women in my family were way too busy working the ranch to come up with novel foods every night and the hired help would have been suspicious. We did have a lot of Scandi things on special occasions.
                    I think early on we did meatless every Friday...at some point we transformed into our current lazy Catholics and only did it during Lent (currently I am the only member of my immediate family that does meatless Friday Lents). Pancakes for dinner was my favorite Lenten meal. Maybe one of my favorite dinners period. It always felt like playing hooky when we had that for dinner.

                    I don't think my mother has made her fried chicken and homemade french fries in over 30 years. That was a fantastic meal as well!
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by phillygirl View Post

                      I don't think my mother has made her fried chicken and homemade french fries in over 30 years. That was a fantastic meal as well!
                      We often had fried chicken but not french fries - we had home fries. About twice a year someone would haul out the french fry cutter and make them. Very tasty but not a common treat. Actually, we would have french fries when someone made donuts since we'd already have the pot of fat.
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                      • #12
                        The natives have been getting restless, too.

                        This is just one article of many out there in which the kids are pretty much just flat-out rebelling against the federally-mandated lunches. And it's been going on for a while. And yes, they are directly blaming Michele Obama.



















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                        • #13
                          Okay, that's kind of funny. I wonder if Sasha and Malia have that to eat every day for lunch!
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
                            Okay, that's kind of funny. I wonder if Sasha and Malia have that to eat every day for lunch!
                            No, and neither do these kids. They refused half the meal that was available and complained about the rest.

                            I agree with Ginger about the whole-grain stuff. Beyond that, these kids are junk-food junkies and if they were genuinely hungry (like, not getting enough to eat at home), they would eat the healthy stuff and be damned glad to have it. Once you watch migrant workers' kids scarf down the dreck served in Florida public schools ("mystery meat" doesn't BEGIN to cover it), you know what hungry kids look like. This isn't it.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
                              No, and neither do these kids. They refused half the meal that was available and complained about the rest.

                              I agree with Ginger about the whole-grain stuff. Beyond that, these kids are junk-food junkies and if they were genuinely hungry (like, not getting enough to eat at home), they would eat the healthy stuff and be damned glad to have it. Once you watch migrant workers' kids scarf down the dreck served in Florida public schools ("mystery meat" doesn't BEGIN to cover it), you know what hungry kids look like. This isn't it.
                              I know. See my comments above. I don't really disagree with the nutritional standards, although I think they're overboard on them. Keep it simple. It doesn't need to be all whole grainy and crap (and what's up with the 3 grape tomatoes??) and such low calorie. A piece of pizza and corn; some meat ravioli and green beans; a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and jello. That was a standard lunch platter when I grew up and it was plenty. Same with a bowl of soup and 2 packs of crackers. It shouldn't be their sole intake for the entire day (and if it is, then there is something else wrong in that family) but even if it is, it's enough to nourish. If the parents want the kids to be "stuffed" at lunch, then pack them a lunch that stuffs them.
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