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  • #16
    Originally posted by Newman View Post
    Like Gramps I've had the shingles shots (no problem, contrary to the experience of many here) and pneumonia ones. I don't get the flu shot. (And I understand the effectiveness of the shingles shots is pretty low, too.)

    Anyway, Celeste, I'm trying to sell advice that was given to me when I was working with a high-turnover immigrant population of children, who are certified germ machines, and from whom I believe I used to catch cold after cold for years. In those settings, and work environments like yours, learn not to touch your face before you wash your hands. It's a habit that takes some intentional work to establish, but it sticks.

    I don't have any numbers to back me up, but I'll happily bet any amount of money I don't have either that the effectiveness rate is way higher than the vaccines.
    I'm pretty sure the shingles vaccine effectiveness is high 80's-low 90's.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Adam View Post
      Why not? I got it years ago. It sucked (I had a bad reaction to it), but I don't know of any specific qualifiers that would prevent you. Frosty may know something that I don't there.

      I've gotten the flu shot exactly twice in my life, and both times I've contracted the flu almost immediately (within a week or two). I consider the flu shot to be a scientific farce. OTOH, until the hole in my thorax finally heals up (hopefully soon, cross fingers), I can't get the shingles vax, which I have desperately wanted for years, but was told I wasn't a candidate because I wasn't yet 50 years old (at the time). Shingles scares the hell out of me, because I've seen a couple of scorching cases of it, and I don't want it in any way. So that's the first trip to the doc as soon as I'm cleared to go get stuff injected into me.
      I asked my doctor at my last visit and she said I wouldn't start getting it until I was 60. I assume my sister got it because she is "medically fragile". She did get pneumonia last year, but they believe that it was caused by aspiration. Of course, yesterday I aspirated my coffee. That was fun. Wasn't sure if I was going to vomit or just choke to death. Getting old kinda sucks sometimes.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Newman View Post
        Like Gramps I've had the shingles shots (no problem, contrary to the experience of many here) and pneumonia ones. I don't get the flu shot. (And I understand the effectiveness of the shingles shots is pretty low, too.)

        I didn't get sick with the shingles shot, just soreness in my arm that I could not believe was so bad. It felt like someone took a baseball bat to it. I know some people get sick in addition to the sore arm. I've always been pretty lucky in terms of health issues. Other than when I got my tonsils out at 4 years old I've never been hospitalized. My broken bones have been limited to a toe and a foot bone (hairline fracture). I had chicken pox twice. Once I had one pox and the second time I had 3 pox.
        My experience with Covid was relatively mild. Mostly a bad cold and then some lingering tiredness (although I wouldn't describe it as complete exhaustion as many have experienced). I am very fortunate and I'm at an age and in a position with my sister that I'd like to try to stay as healthy as I can, even if that means getting the flu shot each year.
        Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
        Robert Southwell, S.J.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Newman View Post
          Like Gramps I've had the shingles shots (no problem, contrary to the experience of many here) and pneumonia ones. I don't get the flu shot. (And I understand the effectiveness of the shingles shots is pretty low, too.)

          Anyway, Celeste, I'm trying to sell advice that was given to me when I was working with a high-turnover immigrant population of children, who are certified germ machines, and from whom I believe I used to catch cold after cold for years. In those settings, and work environments like yours, learn not to touch your face before you wash your hands. It's a habit that takes some intentional work to establish, but it sticks.

          I don't have any numbers to back me up, but I'll happily bet any amount of money I don't have either that the effectiveness rate is way higher than the vaccines.
          That was true of the much older Zostavax. When did you get yours and was it a two shot series? Shingrix is very effective at over 85%.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Frostbit View Post

            That was true of the much older Zostavax. When did you get yours and was it a two shot series? Shingrix is very effective at over 85%.
            I got both (old and recent), and I'm glad the efficacy has improved.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
              Of course, yesterday I aspirated my coffee. That was fun. Wasn't sure if I was going to vomit or just choke to death. Getting old kinda sucks sometimes.
              That's not being old, I've done it regularly for 40 years.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by scott View Post

                That's not being old, I've done it regularly for 40 years.
                For some reason whenever I've seriously choked I've actively tried to hide this fact from anyone that could possibly help me. When it happened yesterday I turned my chair away from the front of my office so I could just vomit or die in complete peace. A stupid reaction, I know.
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                • #23
                  Probably a surprise to no one here, but I have only once done the flu shot. It is not that I don't think that they work for some people or am in the now politically incorrect anti-vax crowd.
                  Back in my early teens the high school did a low cost (like $5) flu shot. A couple weeks later I came down with something that was either flu or bronchitis or pneumonia or whatever but for almost a month I thought I was going to die and most of the time was praying for it. After that I decided I'd take my chances.
                  We are so fucked.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by phillygirl View Post

                    For some reason whenever I've seriously choked I've actively tried to hide this fact from anyone that could possibly help me. When it happened yesterday I turned my chair away from the front of my office so I could just vomit or die in complete peace. A stupid reaction, I know.
                    I have done this. It becomes a decision as to where to eject, where will it do the least damage and easiest clean up.
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