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  • It pains me to say this...

    but I think Hondo was right. The LandRover kind of sucks. I bought it in Dec. 2011. In April 2012 I had the battery replaced, with the dealer claiming it was "defective". A month ago, I tried to start it on a Saturday night, only to discover there was no power, it ate my key, etc. With a jump start, 40 minutes of driving/idling, and then a Sunday morning slow charge for 2 hours, all seemed copacetic and I assumed I had left a light on in the interior and drained the battery. This past Monday morning, again, no power, again, assumed I left a light on. Monday night I slow charged it (was kind of proud of myself for even figuring out how to do that without blowing myself up!) and in less than 2 hours it indicated that the battery was fully charged. Still no power.

    Tow truck came yesterday to pick it up. Jumped it with no problem, but indicated that there was clearly an electrical problem, as some of the windows, etc. didn't work. Got to the dealer and the service manager, with a less than 5 minute looksee told me the "good news, bad news". Bad news...after turning the car off it would not restart. Good news...you have a bad battery.

    I was in a slow burn at that point because it was clear that he wanted to pat me on the head and send me away. He immediately discounted my advice that it seemed to be electrical since half the windows worked upon starting, but not the other half (admittedly, the tow truck driver insisted that he tow the car, rather than let me drive it to the dealer, and pointed out the electric failures as reason to worry that it may shut down on me while driving). Mr. tech manager (who doesn't appear to know a thing about cars) told me that it takes awhile for all the systems to warm up (um...okay?). I explained the history and told him in no uncertain terms it was not the battery, but an electrical problem. He doubted my story on the previous battery and looked it up in their system. He found that I was accurate and had to acknowledge that it was highly unlikely that I would have 2 defective batteries in 2 years.

    Then they told me they didn't have a loaner for me, despite the fact that when I called in the morning I specifically asked about that and they said "sure, no problem". Had I known that it was a problem, I would have followed the tow truck driver in my other car...instead I now needed a ride back to my house to get the car and then back to work.

    I don't buy cars frequently and I hate to ditch this and put the money out for another car, but this will not be a long lasting car for me. I had planned to perhaps give it to my niece in a few years when she got her license (it's a big, safe care, and would be about 7 years old by the time she needs one) but now I don't think so.

    So annoying.
    Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
    Robert Southwell, S.J.

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    You bought a British vehicle and planned to drive it regularly?
    "There are four lights!"

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
      You bought a British vehicle and planned to drive it regularly?
      Yeah, silly me.
      Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
      Robert Southwell, S.J.

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      • #4
        Which is more annoying to you, the fact that you are having car troubles or the fact that I was right?

        Avoid British cars entirely unless you are going to drop the serious coin for an Aston Martin. Jaguar would be an acceptable substitute, I suppose.

        Go German. Go Audi.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Hondo View Post
          Which is more annoying to you, the fact that you are having car troubles or the fact that I was right?

          Avoid British cars entirely unless you are going to drop the serious coin for an Aston Martin. Jaguar would be an acceptable substitute, I suppose.

          Go German. Go Audi.
          The last time I had a loaner from there they gave me a Jag. I have to say, it was tempting.
          Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
          Robert Southwell, S.J.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Hondo View Post
            Jaguar would be an acceptable substitute, I suppose.
            You're an idiot.
            "There are four lights!"

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            • #7
              Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
              The last time I had a loaner from there they gave me a Jag. I have to say, it was tempting.
              Think Land Rover only with more expensive repairs.
              "There are four lights!"

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                Think Land Rover only with more expensive repairs.
                Yeah. I'm pretty certain the next car will be a Jeep Grand Cherokee. Probably the Overland.
                Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
                Robert Southwell, S.J.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hondo View Post
                  Which is more annoying to you, the fact that you are having car troubles or the fact that I was right?

                  Avoid British cars entirely unless you are going to drop the serious coin for an Aston Martin. Jaguar would be an acceptable substitute, I suppose.

                  Go German. Go Audi.
                  The fact that you were right. Every time I buy a car because I like how it looks, it's a mistake. First, the Nissan 240 sx. Now this.
                  Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
                  Robert Southwell, S.J.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                    You bought a British vehicle and planned to drive it regularly?



                    Pretty much exactly what I was thinking. The Range Rover and Land Rover do off-roading very well, just not very often.




                    I have to agree with Hondo here. If you're buying with an eye toward giving this to a young driver in a few years, go German or Nordic. Your niece is going to be at least as safe in a BMW or Volvo as she would be in a high-sitting vehicle that is prone to roll-overs. You could even see about trying to find her a Saab, if you want something different. Drives like shit, but it will survive a nuclear blast. Or go a little crazy and get a Citroën DS wiki. Not that French cars are particularly well-known for their reliability any more than British ones, but at least you'll have the only one in the neighborhood.
                    Bask in the warmth of the Deep South
                    No one will be denied:
                    Big law suits and bathroom toots;
                    We're all getting Dixie-fried.
                    But somewhere Hank and Lefty
                    Are rollin' in their graves
                    While kudzu vines grow over signs that read "Jesus Saves."

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Adam View Post



                      Pretty much exactly what I was thinking. The Range Rover and Land Rover do off-roading very well, just not very often.




                      I have to agree with Hondo here. If you're buying with an eye toward giving this to a young driver in a few years, go German or Nordic. Your niece is going to be at least as safe in a BMW or Volvo as she would be in a high-sitting vehicle that is prone to roll-overs. You could even see about trying to find her a Saab, if you want something different. Drives like shit, but it will survive a nuclear blast. Or go a little crazy and get a Citroën DS wiki. Not that French cars are particularly well-known for their reliability any more than British ones, but at least you'll have the only one in the neighborhood.
                      Let me be clear...I'm not buying my niece a car (her brother and cousins would go nuclear on me, since I've not bought any of them a car). I simply figured that I'd be ready for a new car about the time she would need one, and it would make sense to "give" or "sell" her or her parents my car if I was ready to trade it in. At this point I would not be comfortable with her having a car that might have issues with reliability. I also may get rid of this car sooner rather than later, which would mean that I probably would not be in the market for a new car for another 8-10 years as that is about how long I generally keep my cars.

                      She recently told me that she wants a Jeep Wrangler, and then when I asked how she expected to come into possession of one, she did that girly thing with her big blue eyes, stating that her "daddy" (I've not heard her call him that since she was 3) would get it for her. That girl is Trouble waiting to happen...I shudder to think about her as a teenager. She's going to be the death of us all. And I'm pretty damn sure her "daddy", "dad", Father has no intention of getting her a Wrangler when she's ready to drive.
                      Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
                      Robert Southwell, S.J.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
                        Yeah. I'm pretty certain the next car will be a Jeep Grand Cherokee. Probably the Overland.
                        For the love of God, buy a Toyota.

                        I have had my Toyota for six years. Other than oil changes and a set of tires (sun burned the originals after 5 years) I have replaced one headlamp bulb, a running light bulb, and the ac blower- all by myself, all in less than 15 minutes per task.
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                        And day's at the morn;
                        Morning's at seven;
                        The hill-side's dew-pearled;
                        The lark's on the wing;
                        The snail's on the thorn:
                        God's in his heaven—
                        All's right with the world!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
                          Let me be clear...I'm not buying my niece a car (her brother and cousins would go nuclear on me, since I've not bought any of them a car). I simply figured that I'd be ready for a new car about the time she would need one, and it would make sense to "give" or "sell" her or her parents my car if I was ready to trade it in. At this point I would not be comfortable with her having a car that might have issues with reliability. I also may get rid of this car sooner rather than later, which would mean that I probably would not be in the market for a new car for another 8-10 years as that is about how long I generally keep my cars.

                          She recently told me that she wants a Jeep Wrangler, and then when I asked how she expected to come into possession of one, she did that girly thing with her big blue eyes, stating that her "daddy" (I've not heard her call him that since she was 3) would get it for her. That girl is Trouble waiting to happen...I shudder to think about her as a teenager. She's going to be the death of us all. And I'm pretty damn sure her "daddy", "dad", Father has no intention of getting her a Wrangler when she's ready to drive.
                          Ah. I see.

                          Do I recall correctly that part of the reason for the Land Rover was due to some poor roads near the Maryland house?
                          Bask in the warmth of the Deep South
                          No one will be denied:
                          Big law suits and bathroom toots;
                          We're all getting Dixie-fried.
                          But somewhere Hank and Lefty
                          Are rollin' in their graves
                          While kudzu vines grow over signs that read "Jesus Saves."

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                          • #14
                            I'm with Nova..we love all our Toyota's. That said, we've had two Jeep Grand Cherokee's and would never fault them except that we wanted something a little bigger and went with the Toyota Sequoia. It's a smooth traveler for a bigger rig.
                            May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
                            Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
                            And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
                            may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Adam View Post
                              Ah. I see.

                              Do I recall correctly that part of the reason for the Land Rover was due to some poor roads near the Maryland house?
                              No. I just really liked how it looked. I like an SUV because of snow in PA and some hilly, winding, bad roads in PA, plus I like the roominess of it for carting the kids around. I loved the Jeep Liberty and was just not ready to go as big as the Cherokee, but now I am.
                              Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
                              Robert Southwell, S.J.

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