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    Satanic Temple Monument in Okla. May Include ‘Interactive Display’ for Kids

    By Nicki Rossoll
    Dec 10, 2013 6:00am

    With ABC News’ Anneta Konstantinides

    A monument to the Ten Commandments that sits outside the Oklahoma statehouse may soon have some unholy company.

    Satan worshipers are seeking to build their own monument at the state Capitol, and Lucien Greaves, a spokesman for the Satanic Temple, said he’s “optimistic” it will be approved.

    “I really don’t see a grounds which they can reject this,” he told ABC News.

    The privately funded Ten Commandments monument was approved by the conservative-led Oklahoma state legislature in 2009, and erected on Capitol grounds in 2012. It has riled up opponents ever since, many calling into question the constitutionality of the monument.

    But Greaves does not see a problem with the Christian monument, as long as it does not stand alone.
    “I feel that the statue is only problematic when it stands alone,” Greaves said. “It would change the dynamic with our monument there. We aren’t objecting to the Ten Commandments monument, we’re objecting to the monument standing alone.”

    When asked what the Satanic monument would look like, Greaves said he doesn’t want to “reveal too much about the possible design options,” but hinted that his “favorite design, at the moment, is an interactive display for children.”

    The American Civil Liberties Union has been less accepting of the existing monument, and has filed a lawsuit seeking its removal.

    “The monument’s placement at the Capitol has created a more divisive and hostile state for many Oklahomans,” Ryan Kiesel, executive director of ACLU Oklahoma, said in a statement. “When the government literally puts one faith on a pedestal, it sends a strong message to Oklahomans of other faiths that they are less than equal.”

    But Greaves said he believes a monument from the Satanic Temple would re-assert that “we all have a voice” in this “religiously pluralistic nation.”
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    "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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    "There are four lights!"

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    • #3
      This is why I advocate separation of church and state. It's not a fully Christian country and this is the only way to protect everybody including Christians.

      As for the "interactive display" for kids, I'm starting to lose my tolerance level.

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      • #4
        It's undeniable that the foundation of law as practiced in the U.S. up until a few decades ago was derived from Christian legal views filtered through common law. That's just the reality and it's why so many courthouses and state capitols reference the Commandments one way or another in displays, art, decor, etc.

        The Commandments have a direct influence on U.S. legal thought. Satanic, Muslim, Hindu, pagan, or Spaghetti Monster precepts do not.
        "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
          It's undeniable that the foundation of law as practiced in the U.S. up until a few decades ago was derived from Christian legal views filtered through common law. That's just the reality and it's why so many courthouses and state capitols reference the Commandments one way or another in displays, art, decor, etc.

          The Commandments have a direct influence on U.S. legal thought. Satanic, Muslim, Hindu, pagan, or Spaghetti Monster precepts do not.
          Horsepoo. If that were the case then you would expect to see the ten commandments in our laws and you simply don't.
          The year's at the spring
          And day's at the morn;
          Morning's at seven;
          The hill-side's dew-pearled;
          The lark's on the wing;
          The snail's on the thorn:
          God's in his heaven—
          All's right with the world!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
            It's undeniable that the foundation of law as practiced in the U.S. up until a few decades ago was derived from Christian legal views filtered through common law. That's just the reality and it's why so many courthouses and state capitols reference the Commandments one way or another in displays, art, decor, etc.

            The Commandments have a direct influence on U.S. legal thought. Satanic, Muslim, Hindu, pagan, or Spaghetti Monster precepts do not.
            And?
            "There are four lights!"

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Novaheart View Post
              Horsepoo. If that were the case then you would expect to see the ten commandments in our laws and you simply don't.
              Where did the legislation outlawing murder, theft, and adultery originate?
              "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."

              -John Locke

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              • #8
                Originally posted by scott View Post
                Where did the legislation outlawing murder, theft, and adultery originate?
                Not to mention blue laws and the whole prohibition on idolatry.
                "There are four lights!"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Novaheart View Post
                  Horsepoo. If that were the case then you would expect to see the ten commandments in our laws and you simply don't.
                  There are all kinds of Judea-Christian laws on the books of many states that people have complained about for years, and many that were purged from the books fairly recently. Some of them even went beyond the ten commandments into Levitical laws.

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                  • #10
                    Good. I hope the Republicans who decided that it was OK to display religious frippery on public grounds understand the door they've opened up. It has nothing to do with influence on our laws or government, but equality in religion. And if they're going to openly "endorse" one religion, others must by law be given equal opportunity.

                    Either way, this is going to be great. Either the Satanists (who are based on Christianity anyway, right?) get to put up their monument, or they get to take the government to court and make the Republicans eat their God-lovin' bias for breakfast.
                    “Any sufficiently advanced capitalism is indistinguishable from rent seeking.” ~ =j

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Tom Servo View Post
                      Good. I hope the Republicans who decided that it was OK to display religious frippery on public grounds understand the door they've opened up. It has nothing to do with influence on our laws or government, but equality in religion. And if they're going to openly "endorse" one religion, others must by law be given equal opportunity.

                      Either way, this is going to be great. Either the Satanists (who are based on Christianity anyway, right?) get to put up their monument, or they get to take the government to court and make the Republicans eat their God-lovin' bias for breakfast.
                      Maybe they need to make up their own holiday to do it, then. After all, Christmas is about one person in particular. I'd like to suggest April 1 for theirs.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
                        It's undeniable that the foundation of law as practiced in the U.S. up until a few decades ago was derived from Christian legal views filtered through common law. That's just the reality and it's why so many courthouses and state capitols reference the Commandments one way or another in displays, art, decor, etc.

                        The Commandments have a direct influence on U.S. legal thought. Satanic, Muslim, Hindu, pagan, or Spaghetti Monster precepts do not.
                        How do you know there's nothing in the Koran or the Hindu bible that would apply to us? I remember once hearing a Buddhist proverb that I thought applied perfectly to us.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Bob Loblaw 3.0 View Post
                          Maybe they need to make up their own holiday to do it, then. After all, Christmas is about one person in particular. I'd like to suggest April 1 for theirs.
                          This is about permanent year-round displays.
                          Enjoy.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                            This is about permanent year-round displays.
                            Oops - how embarrassing. Never mind.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bob Loblaw 3.0 View Post
                              Maybe they need to make up their own holiday to do it, then. After all, Christmas is about one person in particular. I'd like to suggest April 1 for theirs.
                              They already did.
                              Bask in the warmth of the Deep South
                              No one will be denied:
                              Big law suits and bathroom toots;
                              We're all getting Dixie-fried.
                              But somewhere Hank and Lefty
                              Are rollin' in their graves
                              While kudzu vines grow over signs that read "Jesus Saves."

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