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    Obamacare Fines to be Seized From Bank Accounts?

    Man who attempted to sign up claims he was threatened with drivers license being revoked, federal tax lien on home

    Paul Joseph Watson
    Infowars.com
    October 2, 2013

    A man who attempted to sign up for Obamacare online was told that a fine of over $4,000 dollars a year for refusing to take out mandatory health insurance could be taken directly from his bank account, and that his drivers license would be suspended and a federal tax lien placed against his home, according to an entry on the HealthCare.gov Facebook page.

    If true, the implementation of Obamacare is going to be a whole lot more draconian than Americans have been led to believe.

    Will Sheehan claims that when he tried to sign up for Obamacare and then register to opt out, he received an ominous warning. Sheehan’s full Facebook post reads;

    “I actually made it through this morning at 8:00 A.M. I have a preexisting condition (Type 1 Diabetes) and my income base was 45K-55K annually I chose tier 2 “Silver Plan” and my monthly premiums came out to $597.00 with $13,988 yearly deductible!!! There is NO POSSIBLE way that I can afford this so I “opt-out” and chose to continue along with no insurance.

    I received an email tonight at 5:00 P.M. informing me that my fine would be $4,037 and could be attached to my yearly income tax return. Then you make it to the “REPERCUSSIONS PORTION” for “non-payment” of yearly fine. First, your drivers license will be suspended until paid, and if you go 24 consecutive months with “Non-Payment” and you happen to be a home owner, you will have a federal tax lien placed on your home. You can agree to give your bank information so that they can easy “Automatically withdraw” your “penalties” weekly, bi-weekly or monthly! This by no means is “Free” or even “Affordable.”
    Sheehan went on to point out that the site makes you input all your personal information before giving you an indication of the costs, meaning a database of the “uninsured” is being built. He added that he could not afford to pay the premium so would have to break the law and pay the fine, leaving him with no health care coverage.

    The federal government has consistently denied that any fines pertaining to Obamacare non-compliance could be seized from bank accounts, despite reports last year that the IRS had hired 16,500 new agents to harass citizens who attempt to evade the new law.

    “There’s no criminal sanctions for not paying this, and there’s no ability to levy a bank account or do seizures,” then-IRS commissioner Douglas Shulman said in April 2010.

    In addition, Americans who refuse to pay for mandatory health insurance “shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution,” according to the law itself.

    Section 1501(g)(2) of the Affordable Care Act also states that the IRS cannot “file notice of lien with respect to any property of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the penalty imposed by this section.”

    Either Sheehan’s claim that he received this notice is a lie, or the feds have been dishonest with the American people all along, and the revolt against Obamacare is about to take “don’t tread on me” to a whole new level.
    This is only one of several fairly shocking stories people have told after attempting to get more information about available policies through the exchanges. The deductibles seem way out of line to me. As for the rest - I guess we'll see fairly quickly if these things are glitches or not over the next few months.

    Info Wars
    "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

  • #2
    I got on the site and was going to do a shits and giggles app just to see what was available and what it would cost based on the earnings I would claim to have made.

    They wanted way too much info for my purposes.
    We are so fucked.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by gary m View Post
      I got on the site and was going to do a shits and giggles app just to see what was available and what it would cost based on the earnings I would claim to have made.

      They wanted way too much info for my purposes.
      I think people are finding out that it's like Hotel California - you can never really check out.

      Try this one:

      Kaiser Family Foundation. They're probably also the Spawn of Satan but you don't have to enter identifying information.
      "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
        This is only one of several fairly shocking stories people have told after attempting to get more information about available policies through the exchanges. The deductibles seem way out of line to me. As for the rest - I guess we'll see fairly quickly if these things are glitches or not over the next few months.

        Info Wars
        They were very very stupid to put the IRS in charge of this.



        Very very very fucking very very stupid.
        "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."

        -John Locke

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        • #5
          Originally posted by gary m View Post
          I got on the site and was going to do a shits and giggles app just to see what was available and what it would cost based on the earnings I would claim to have made.

          They wanted way too much info for my purposes.
          That really is the point.

          Believe it or not, there are algorithms crunching the data on "false starts" right now. You people (that have been around here awhile) know that I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but there is an actual conspiracy going on here. This is a massive data collection operation. When single payer comes, they will already know 95% of what they need to know based on the fact that you voluntarily accessed a government system.
          "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."

          -John Locke

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          • #6
            Originally posted by scott View Post
            They were very very stupid to put the IRS in charge of this.

            Very very very fucking very very stupid.
            When it comes to seizing money from bank accounts those are the guys to go to, that's for sure.
            Science that cannot be questioned is propaganda.

            Cameras in classrooms now.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by scott View Post
              That really is the point.

              Believe it or not, there are algorithms crunching the data on "false starts" right now. You people (that have been around here awhile) know that I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but there is an actual conspiracy going on here. This is a massive data collection operation. When single payer comes, they will already know 95% of what they need to know based on the fact that you voluntarily accessed a government system.
              I heard the administrators, or, whatever adjective is given to those who are "helping" people sign up are the SEIU.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by deudyurondame View Post
                I heard the administrators, or, whatever adjective is given to those who are "helping" people sign up are the SEIU.
                ACORN.
                It's been ten years since that lonely day I left you
                In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
                Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
                Pray for me, momma, I'm a gypsy now

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                • #9
                  Isn't there something wrong with your program if you need "helpers" to get people involved? McDonald's doesn't have helpers. Apple, the NFL, Direct TV, the Unitarian Church, the local 5k for Name That Disease, and 80s Night at whatever club don't have helpers. You show up, the process of acquiring or participating is transparent, you get whatever clarification you need from the website or the manager and Bob's your Uncle.

                  Why would you trust political cronies of the White House with your private information? I say that regardless of which flavor is occupying the place.
                  "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
                    Isn't there something wrong with your program if you need "helpers" to get people involved? McDonald's doesn't have helpers. Apple, the NFL, Direct TV, the Unitarian Church, the local 5k for Name That Disease, and 80s Night at whatever club don't have helpers. You show up, the process of acquiring or participating is transparent, you get whatever clarification you need from the website or the manager and Bob's your Uncle.

                    Why would you trust political cronies of the White House with your private information? I say that regardless of which flavor is occupying the place.
                    ....three years and $1T later, with seventeen key provisions postponed. Yes, there's a problem. It's not about health-care.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
                      Isn't there something wrong with your program if you need "helpers" to get people involved? McDonald's doesn't have helpers. Apple, the NFL, Direct TV, the Unitarian Church, the local 5k for Name That Disease, and 80s Night at whatever club don't have helpers. You show up, the process of acquiring or participating is transparent, you get whatever clarification you need from the website or the manager and Bob's your Uncle.

                      Why would you trust political cronies of the White House with your private information? I say that regardless of which flavor is occupying the place.
                      Seems the state of Kansas thinks so.
                      It's been ten years since that lonely day I left you
                      In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
                      Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
                      Pray for me, momma, I'm a gypsy now

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                      • #12
                        ...and the first comment to the piece is!

                        Because going hungry (and letting your children go hungry) when you can't find a job is just another sacrifice for the state!

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                        • #13
                          Are people who routinely access Hollywood Reporter and Facebook so tuned out that they can't get on the State website where there is usually a huge redirect for people seeking assistance? Doesn't every state now have a dedicated 411 number for that very purpose?

                          If you don't think you need whatever it is, maybe you don't.
                          "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
                            Isn't there something wrong with your program if you need "helpers" to get people involved? McDonald's doesn't have helpers. Apple, the NFL, Direct TV, the Unitarian Church, the local 5k for Name That Disease, and 80s Night at whatever club don't have helpers. You show up, the process of acquiring or participating is transparent, you get whatever clarification you need from the website or the manager and Bob's your Uncle.

                            Why would you trust political cronies of the White House with your private information? I say that regardless of which flavor is occupying the place.
                            McDonald's has helpers, they are the ones taking your order. Grocery stores too. Apple serves a very small market compared to the entire country, same for the others.

                            Agreed on your second point though - but we already have the IRS.
                            "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."

                            -John Locke

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by scott View Post
                              McDonald's has helpers, they are the ones taking your order. Grocery stores too. Apple serves a very small market compared to the entire country, same for the others.

                              Agreed on your second point though - but we already have the IRS.
                              They aren't getting government contracts to wave you into the door to buy a Big Mac on someone else's nickel, though.
                              It's been ten years since that lonely day I left you
                              In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
                              Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
                              Pray for me, momma, I'm a gypsy now

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