Obamacare Fines to be Seized From Bank Accounts?

[Tom Servo]

This whole thing is a non-story, even the article goes so far to bust every one of this guy's assertions. Someone punked his ass on Facebook and he's trying to pass it off as truth.

There's enough bad in Obamacare to pass around without having to make crap up.

[Gingersnap]

Perhaps I don't understand what you mean by "helpers."

I think the point is that none of us understand the real role of the thousands of "helpers" involved with Obamacare. Whatever it is, it probably won't be good.

[scott]

Clearly you don't frequent the McDuck's around the campus in downtown Denver - they're automated and have been for 5 years or more. Ditto the grocery stores around here. You can take your pick of human or machine. In either case, there are no "helpers". A store clerk will not advise you on food choices, food nutrition, food financing, or food preparation.

Even the IRS admits that it doesn't have "helpers". It has clerks who are not bound by law to give YOU tax law interpretations that will stand up to its own audit process.

Perhaps I don't understand what you mean by "helpers."

[Gingersnap]

McDonald's has helpers, they are the ones taking your order. Grocery stores too. Apple serves a very small market compared to the entire country, same for the others.

Agreed on your second point though - but we already have the IRS.

Clearly you don't frequent the McDuck's around the campus in downtown Denver - they're automated and have been for 5 years or more. Ditto the grocery stores around here. You can take your pick of human or machine. In either case, there are no "helpers". A store clerk will not advise you on food choices, food nutrition, food financing, or food preparation.

Even the IRS admits that it doesn't have "helpers". It has clerks who are not bound by law to give YOU tax law interpretations that will stand up to its own audit process.

[scott]

They aren't getting government contracts to wave you into the door to buy a Big Mac on someone else's nickel, though.

True.

I think it's disgusting that the government is marketing assistance. While I agree with help in navigating the maze of red tape, you should be the one that seeks it out. But the issue here is that the government is trying to expand its power base.

I still find it ironic that social security is "credited" with keeping millions of seniors out of poverty. If I took 15% from you your entire life and then in your later years I started giving it back to you would I be lauded as a hero that saved you?

[Adam]

McDonald's has helpers, they are the ones taking your order. Grocery stores too. Apple serves a very small market compared to the entire country, same for the others.

Agreed on your second point though - but we already have the IRS.

They aren't getting government contracts to wave you into the door to buy a Big Mac on someone else's nickel, though.

[scott]

Isn't there something wrong with your program if you need "helpers" to get people involved? McDonald's doesn't have helpers. Apple, the NFL, Direct TV, the Unitarian Church, the local 5k for Name That Disease, and 80s Night at whatever club don't have helpers. You show up, the process of acquiring or participating is transparent, you get whatever clarification you need from the website or the manager and Bob's your Uncle.

Why would you trust political cronies of the White House with your private information? I say that regardless of which flavor is occupying the place.

McDonald's has helpers, they are the ones taking your order. Grocery stores too. Apple serves a very small market compared to the entire country, same for the others.

Agreed on your second point though - but we already have the IRS.

[Gingersnap]

Seems the state of Kansas thinks so.

Are people who routinely access Hollywood Reporter and Facebook so tuned out that they can't get on the State website where there is usually a huge redirect for people seeking assistance? Doesn't every state now have a dedicated 411 number for that very purpose?

If you don't think you need whatever it is, maybe you don't.

[deudyurondame]

Seems the state of Kansas thinks so.

...and the first comment to the piece is!

Because going hungry (and letting your children go hungry) when you can't find a job is just another sacrifice for the state!

[Adam]

Isn't there something wrong with your program if you need "helpers" to get people involved? McDonald's doesn't have helpers. Apple, the NFL, Direct TV, the Unitarian Church, the local 5k for Name That Disease, and 80s Night at whatever club don't have helpers. You show up, the process of acquiring or participating is transparent, you get whatever clarification you need from the website or the manager and Bob's your Uncle.

Why would you trust political cronies of the White House with your private information? I say that regardless of which flavor is occupying the place.

Seems the state of Kansas thinks so.

[deudyurondame]

Isn't there something wrong with your program if you need "helpers" to get people involved? McDonald's doesn't have helpers. Apple, the NFL, Direct TV, the Unitarian Church, the local 5k for Name That Disease, and 80s Night at whatever club don't have helpers. You show up, the process of acquiring or participating is transparent, you get whatever clarification you need from the website or the manager and Bob's your Uncle.

Why would you trust political cronies of the White House with your private information? I say that regardless of which flavor is occupying the place.

....three years and $1T later, with seventeen key provisions postponed. Yes, there's a problem. It's not about health-care.

[Gingersnap]

Isn't there something wrong with your program if you need "helpers" to get people involved? McDonald's doesn't have helpers. Apple, the NFL, Direct TV, the Unitarian Church, the local 5k for Name That Disease, and 80s Night at whatever club don't have helpers. You show up, the process of acquiring or participating is transparent, you get whatever clarification you need from the website or the manager and Bob's your Uncle.

Why would you trust political cronies of the White House with your private information? I say that regardless of which flavor is occupying the place.

[Adam]

I heard the administrators, or, whatever adjective is given to those who are "helping" people sign up are the SEIU.

ACORN.

[deudyurondame]

That really is the point.

Believe it or not, there are algorithms crunching the data on "false starts" right now. You people (that have been around here awhile) know that I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but there is an actual conspiracy going on here. This is a massive data collection operation. When single payer comes, they will already know 95% of what they need to know based on the fact that you voluntarily accessed a government system.

I heard the administrators, or, whatever adjective is given to those who are "helping" people sign up are the SEIU.

[JB]

They were very very stupid to put the IRS in charge of this.

Very very very fucking very very stupid.

When it comes to seizing money from bank accounts those are the guys to go to, that's for sure.