Union Thugs Scare Woman and Children - Completely Legal

[scott]

Post Bros. executive Sarina Rose had grown used to troubles at work literally following her home.

During the day, she dodged taunts from union protesters outside the 12th and Wood Streets work site in Philadelphia, where her company was building apartments last year.

After hours, tradesmen snapped photos of her children, 8 and 11, at their bus stop in Abington. They trailed her at weekend sporting events. One union leader loudly cursed at her in front of a packed restaurant and mimicked shooting her.

And under Pennsylvania law, none of it was a crime.

"When you walk in, as a vice president of a company, to a restaurant full of union workers," Municipal Judge Charles Hayden told Rose in court last November, "you're going to hear some things that you should have expected to hear."

http://articles.philly.com/2014-02-28/news/47744058_1_union-protesters-union-leader-goldtex

What bullshit.


But that's unions for ya.

[Novaheart]

http://articles.philly.com/2014-02-2...leader-goldtex

What bullshit.


But that's unions for ya.

She had a solution available to her. She chose the confrontational route in the belief that it would save money. I doubt that it ultimately did. I'd like to know if she was using illegals, and if she was why someone didn't get her arrested for it.

[scott]

She had a solution available to her. She chose the confrontational route in the belief that it would save money. I doubt that it ultimately did. I'd like to know if she was using illegals, and if she was why someone didn't get her arrested for it.

This makes the thuggery acceptable?

[Adam]

Thanks to a little-known provision protecting parties in labor disputes from prosecution for stalking, harassment, and terroristic threats, Rose said, she was left powerless to stop the nearly constant baiting. The men who dogged her at all hours walked free.

Wow. What a fantastically stupid idea.

[Lanie]

This makes the thuggery acceptable?

It's not acceptable, but I would think being insulted and even the pictures of children are covered under "freedom of speech." I would like to see some of that curbed, but I'm usually told I'm an anti-freedom liberal when I suggest that.

[Novaheart]

It's not acceptable, but I would think being insulted and even the pictures of children are covered under "freedom of speech." I would like to see some of that curbed, but I'm usually told I'm an anti-freedom liberal when I suggest that.

When a corporate executive does things which harm working families, she cannot then claim immunity for her family from the backlash. This woman made a decision to not use union labor.

Imagine that the city of Philadelphia decided that cops are too well paid and get too much benefits. So they fire all the cops and import green card cops. Do you think that the police and firefighters are going to take that lying down? I don't think so.

What these people want to do is declare that we're beyond physical confrontation in labor organizing. We aren't. The people have simply been asleep for a while because they are afraid of losing their mortgage or something. Organized labor was born in the willingness to fight. Organized labor was born in the belief that if the worker cannot earn a decent living , then the farm, mine, or the factory will not make any money for the baron.

What these developers want to do is slap up some places for $100 a square foot and sell for $400 a square foot while paying $10 an hour.

[scott]

When a corporate executive does things which harm working families, she cannot then claim immunity for her family from the backlash. This woman made a decision to not use union labor.

Imagine that the city of Philadelphia decided that cops are too well paid and get too much benefits. So they fire all the cops and import green card cops. Do you think that the police and firefighters are going to take that lying down? I don't think so.

What these people want to do is declare that we're beyond physical confrontation in labor organizing. We aren't. The people have simply been asleep for a while because they are afraid of losing their mortgage or something. Organized labor was born in the willingness to fight. Organized labor was born in the belief that if the worker cannot earn a decent living , then the farm, mine, or the factory will not make any money for the baron.

What these developers want to do is slap up some places for $100 a square foot and sell for $400 a square foot while paying $10 an hour.

Thugs.

This is why it's bad business to let unions in the door, you get this attitude.

[Adam]

It's not acceptable, but I would think being insulted and even the pictures of children are covered under "freedom of speech." I would like to see some of that curbed, but I'm usually told I'm an anti-freedom liberal when I suggest that.

It's not. There are limits to free speech. Threats, for example, are not protected by the First Amendment. Of course there is the usual hypothetical of shouting "fire" in a crowded theater.

We have laws on the books that specifically prohibit these sorts of activities. We have laws that forbid stalking, especially children. We have laws that forbid threatening people, harassing people, etc. It's just that union members are exempt from prosecution of those laws in Pennsylvania.

[Adam]

Thugs.

This is why it's bad business to let unions in the door, you get this attitude.

Yep. Typical "my shit don't stink" union attitude.

[Lanie]

When a corporate executive does things which harm working families, she cannot then claim immunity for her family from the backlash. This woman made a decision to not use union labor.

Imagine that the city of Philadelphia decided that cops are too well paid and get too much benefits. So they fire all the cops and import green card cops. Do you think that the police and firefighters are going to take that lying down? I don't think so.

What these people want to do is declare that we're beyond physical confrontation in labor organizing. We aren't. The people have simply been asleep for a while because they are afraid of losing their mortgage or something. Organized labor was born in the willingness to fight. Organized labor was born in the belief that if the worker cannot earn a decent living , then the farm, mine, or the factory will not make any money for the baron.

What these developers want to do is slap up some places for $100 a square foot and sell for $400 a square foot while paying $10 an hour.

Not having a union doesn't equate to doing harm to working families. Even if it did, it would be of the financial nature and not of the physical. Nobody ever has a right to threaten people or get physical with anybody. I do sometimes think there's a place for unions because some employers abuse their power. I would never want to be part of a union that used threats and intimidation though.

BTW, stuff like this is why the left gets demonized.

It's not. There are limits to free speech. Threats, for example, are not protected by the First Amendment. Of course there is the usual hypothetical of shouting "fire" in a crowded theater.

We have laws on the books that specifically prohibit these sorts of activities. We have laws that forbid stalking, especially children. We have laws that forbid threatening people, harassing people, etc. It's just that union members are exempt from prosecution of those laws in Pennsylvania.

Okay, I'll admit I didn't click the link when I read it, so I didn't read the threats to shoot people yet. My bad. Sorry.

[Gingersnap]

It's difficult for me to see the union's side in this. When a union tried to unionize our people I was incensed. Not by them leaving literature or talking to people who wanted to talk to them - it was the constant harassment in terms of following me to my car, calling me at home (and at work) multiple times each day, showing up at my house at night and on the weekends. It was relentless.

[Adam]

It's difficult for me to see the union's side in this. When a union tried to unionize our people I was incensed. Not by them leaving literature or talking to people who wanted to talk to them - it was the constant harassment in terms of following me to my car, calling me at home (and at work) multiple times each day, showing up at my house at night and on the weekends. It was relentless.

I suspect that answering the door with a shotgun is probably a fairly effective way to discourage this behavior. I know that's what I'd do. I find that it's very effective with Jehovah's Witnesses, for example.

[Gramps]

When a corporate executive does things which harm working families, she cannot then claim immunity for her family from the backlash. This woman made a decision to not use union labor.

Imagine that the city of Philadelphia decided that cops are too well paid and get too much benefits. So they fire all the cops and import green card cops. Do you think that the police and firefighters are going to take that lying down? I don't think so.

What these people want to do is declare that we're beyond physical confrontation in labor organizing. We aren't. The people have simply been asleep for a while because they are afraid of losing their mortgage or something. Organized labor was born in the willingness to fight. Organized labor was born in the belief that if the worker cannot earn a decent living , then the farm, mine, or the factory will not make any money for the baron.

What these developers want to do is slap up some places for $100 a square foot and sell for $400 a square foot while paying $10 an hour.

rhetoric

I have been a member of 5 unions in my working life time.

Not a one of them did shit for me that I couldn't have achieved for myself.

I was an employee in a custom electronics shop that was organized by the IBEW.
Since I was teaching full time and classified as a part time worker, the IBEW local thugs determined that I would vote against the union.

I had more that 5 visits from the IBEW local thugs at my residence, always after 9:00 pm... always driving a black Lincoln, asking to 'sit with me and discuss the election'....

Big guys.. no necks, black suits...

about 30 years later, I was talking with a guy who worked in the same shop, a guy that I had been in school with from 5th grade to HS grad...

He finally told me that, yes, I was targeted bc I was a registered Republican and they had discussed a plot to pay local prostitute to claim that I paid her for sex... to threaten my teaching contract... that they would 'black mail' me to vote for the union or they would have her accuse me...

That was in '74.

[Gramps]

It's difficult for me to see the union's side in this. When a union tried to unionize our people I was incensed. Not by them leaving literature or talking to people who wanted to talk to them - it was the constant harassment in terms of following me to my car, calling me at home (and at work) multiple times each day, showing up at my house at night and on the weekends. It was relentless.

See my post.
I lived it also.

The other end of it is, it is rare that the opposition to the unionization is even seen or heard.

See above.

5 union memberships... nothing at all that would repay me for my dues.

At one point, there was a point...
That 'point' was replaced by Federal Legislation...

If I perform, then I want to negotiate on my performance.

[Gingersnap]

If I perform, then I want to negotiate on my performance.

BINGO! I'm a certified grown-up. My work is worth a lot of money. I know this and others in my field know this. I can negotiate my own contracts. I'm selling my work - not my time.

If you need somebody to negotiate your time, you need a pimp.