Louisiana parish bans saggy pants; $50 fine for first offense

[Adam]

Louisiana parish bans saggy pants; $50 fine for first offense

JENNING, LA. – The Jefferson Davis Parish Police Jury has unanimously passed an ordinance making it illegal for any person to appear in a public place wearing pants below the waist and exposing the skin or undergarments.

Police Juror Steve Eastman initially asked the panel to consider banning saggy pants at the parish courthouse in January in response to courthouse employees' complaints about having to see people's underwear and body parts.

Juror Bryon Buller took the suggestion a step further and asked the panel to consider making it illegal for anyone to show their undergarments in public to limit indecent and lewd behavior.

Jurors approved the ordinance Wednesday.

The American Press reports those violating the law face a $50 fine for the first offense and a $100 fine for each subsequent violation.

Ought to be a hanging offense.

[Celeste Chalfonte]

I anticipate immediate demonstration of the law of unintended consequences. Yes, they've now banned this:

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And I understand why. But they've also banned this:

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at public beaches and pools, unless there's an exception they haven't mentioned. And that's unfortunate.

Or this (just for you, Nova):

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[Adam]

I anticipate immediate demonstration of the law of unintended consequences. Yes, they've now banned this:

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And I understand why. But they've also banned this:

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at public beaches and pools, unless there's an exception they haven't mentioned. And that's unfortunate.

Or this (just for you, Nova):

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Says they're banning "saggy" pants. I don't see anything sagging on either one of them.

[Celeste Chalfonte]

Says they're banning "saggy" pants. I don't see anything sagging on either one of them.

True, but the actual ordinance is "an ordinance making it illegal for any person to appear in a public place wearing pants below the waist and exposing the skin or undergarments." That covers a lot of territory. Or uncovers it. Or something.

[Gingersnap]

I don't think anyone views women's swimsuit bottoms as "pants". When I think of pants, I think of a garment with legs. I guess the board short crowd might be impacted but even with those, a lot of design elements are built in to make sure those puppies don't slip down.

[Lanie]

They're about to do something similar in Greensboro. I don't want to see all you've got. Pull 'em up.

[Gingersnap]

LOL! One of our field techs has pants down around mid thigh. He wears very long shirts so there is no 'crazy pants' situation. He's a nice guy and pretty math-okay.

He will never, ever get a promotion. Never.

He's been with us for 4 years, his supervisor has discussed this with him, and he still doesn't get why his career is permanently stalled. He's getting too old to pull off his super-90s bike-messanger persona. It's sad.

[scott]

LOL! One of our field techs has pants down around mid thigh. He wears very long shirts so there is no 'crazy pants' situation. He's a nice guy and pretty math-okay.

He will never, ever get a promotion. Never.

He's been with us for 4 years, his supervisor has discussed this with him, and he still doesn't get why his career is permanently stalled. He's getting too old to pull off his super-90s bike-messanger persona. It's sad.

In a similar vein, a friend of mine has LOTS of tattoos, even on his head - his entire skull. He's sick of being a bouncer and didn't do well as an auto mechanic but is struggling to find an actual "career." He asked me about insurance and I told him that it was going to be tough given his appearance. He had the usual complaints about "the man" keeping him down and people being too judgemental. I told him that he was free to do whatever he wanted and people were free to buy insurance from whomever they wanted, and typically old people don't trust people that look like they've done time in prison - and that's how old people view those who have this much ink.

"But this is who I am!" he demanded.

I gave him some ideas on sales and told him to pick a demographic that was more open to buy from people they could identify with (bands, tattoo artists, bikers, bars) and then pick a product to sell. He doesn't want to sell. He says that's not who he is. Later that night I overheard him complaining to other friends about being told that he's locked out of insurance because of his tattoos and he's locked out of any corporate jobs because of his tattoos. They were talking about saying we needed anti-discrimination laws because people are being unfair.

So here is a case of someone choosing a "lifestyle" and the protesting the fact that this lifestyle has ramifications about their actual desired lifestyle. Except now he's using his tattoos as a crutch because he doesn't want to be in sales.

Just like the dude who won't pull up his pants. He is free to do it, but he doesn't get to choose what people think about his choice.

[phillygirl]

"Don't judge a book by its cover."

Sure. Easy to say, harder to do. As humans, we judge everything, all day, every day. It's a survival instinct.

Oh...and I learned early and often that life isn't fair. Some of these whiners should take a class on that.

[Gingersnap]

"Don't judge a book by its cover."

Sure. Easy to say, harder to do. As humans, we judge everything, all day, every day. It's a survival instinct.

Oh...and I learned early and often that life isn't fair. Some of these whiners should take a class on that.

I laugh every time someone does that "don't judge" thing to me. Hipsters "judge" constantly on consumer choices, hair, location, foods, etc. Feminists judge constantly on sex issues, gender politics, sex roles, etc. Gays judge constantly on discrimination as do Blacks. Muslims constantly judge Western values, Western women, Christianity, etc. Political/social bloggers, writers, and talkers are constantly judging. Every employer judges. Free-spirited, random sex people judge decisively.

The idea that non-judging is even possible, let alone desirable, is absurd.

[scott]

"Don't judge a book by its cover."

Sure. Easy to say, harder to do. As humans, we judge everything, all day, every day. It's a survival instinct.

Oh...and I learned early and often that life isn't fair. Some of these whiners should take a class on that.

If you aren't in a band, aren't a tattoo artist, or are not some sort of individually wealthy person, your dozens of tattoos show me that you aren't looking to be productive to my business. You might be a nice person but I don't hire on being nice. We hire based on your means to ethically make you and us money.

[scott]

I laugh every time someone does that "don't judge" thing to me. Hipsters "judge" constantly on consumer choices, hair, location, foods, etc. Feminists judge constantly on sex issues, gender politics, sex roles, etc. Gays judge constantly on discrimination as do Blacks. Muslims constantly judge Western values, Western women, Christianity, etc. Political/social bloggers, writers, and talkers are constantly judging. Every employer judges. Free-spirited, random sex people judge decisively.

The idea that non-judging is even possible, let alone desirable, is absurd.

WOW!

That's funny because I was just about to point out that this tattoo head never trusted me because I was too "corporate" when I asked him about health insurance. He went to an access center instead. He was very frank, he said that he was wary because he was sure I was "selling something."

The irony is that the Navigator put him in a higher cost Cigna plan. He still got a bargain at $45 per month but I would have put him in a plan that cost him $8 per month with a lower MOOP. I was able to show him how he could change his plan (on his own without me getting a commission) and he is still skeptical. He doesn't understand how a "Navigator" could be incompetent. I asked how that is and he thinks that they are "government certified." Of course I'm "government certified" too and I'm also licensed by the state government. When I told him this and explained the distinction his eyes glazed over.

My license comes with teeth - I can go to jail, be fined, be barred from doing business in this industry (even fixing computers in an insurance agency) if I screw up really bad. The Navigator role doesn't have any teeth at all - if someone screw up really bad they lose the designation and that's it.

[Gingersnap]

Being "too corporate" is judgy. It's all judgy.

If you dismiss someone because they live where you wouldn't, have sex when you wouldn't, reproduce when you wouldn't, eat what you won't eat, dress the way you won't dress, like music you hate, or whatever - you are judging them.

That's not wrong but be honest about it. Don't wander around claiming to be non-judgmental when you really mean that you don't judge people similar to you (politically, socially, regionally) but you do judge anyone who disagrees with your views.

That's hypocritical in current parlance.

[Michele]

"Don't judge a book by its cover."

Sure. Easy to say, harder to do. As humans, we judge everything, all day, every day. It's a survival instinct.

Oh...and I learned early and often that life isn't fair. Some of these whiners should take a class on that.

When we (6 girls) complained about things not being fair, my sweet dad would say, okay..go look up "fair" in the dictionary..it doesn't say "equal".

[scott]

Being "too corporate" is judgy. It's all judgy.

If you dismiss someone because they live where you wouldn't, have sex when you wouldn't, reproduce when you wouldn't, eat what you won't eat, dress the way you won't dress, like music you hate, or whatever - you are judging them.

That's not wrong but be honest about it. Don't wander around claiming to be non-judgmental when you really mean that you don't judge people similar to you (politically, socially, regionally) but you do judge anyone who disagrees with your views.

That's hypocritical in current parlance.

I still remember the goth kids showing their non-conformist attitudes by dressing the same and bullying the cheerleaders. This is just a new version of that.