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  • For long-lasting marriage, tie the knot in your twenties

    For long-lasting marriage, tie the knot in your twenties: Social scientist says that getting married earlier and growing together makes a stronger partnership

    By SOPHIE FREEMAN
    PUBLISHED: 19:21 EST, 9 May 2014 | UPDATED: 06:30 EST, 10 May 2014

    It was once assumed that a young couple would get married and start a family as soon as they could. Today they are more likely to live together to see if they’re truly compatible before they consider tying the knot.

    However, a social scientist is now saying that getting married earlier actually makes a stronger partnership. In his new book, The Curmudgeon's Guide To Getting Ahead, Charles Murray says those who get married in their twenties have a stronger partnership than those who marry later in life.

    Charles Murray believes young people should be more open to what he calls a ‘startup marriage’ in their 20s, rather than waiting for a ‘merger marriage’ in their 30s. In his new book, The Curmudgeon’s Guide To Getting Ahead, he describes startup marriages as those in which the couple generally meet at university, or at the start of their careers, when they have little money and personal success is not yet assured.

    He claims they can make you happier than today’s popular ‘mergers’, where the pair meet and settle down later, when they are already doing well in their jobs and have achieved some level of success on their own.

    Dr Murray claims startups are more likely to achieve a ‘certain kind of symbiosis, where two people become more than the sum of the individuals’.

    His advice on marrying young echoes that of author Susan Patton, whose latest book, Marry Smart, has provoked uproar by urging women to find a husband while at university. Dr Murray, an American whose 1994 bestseller, The Bell Curve, sparked controversy for its analysis of IQ and class, compares the benefits of a start-up marriage with the early days of computer giant Microsoft.

    ‘For one thing, you will both have memories of your life together when it was still up in the air,’ he said.

    ‘I’m willing to bet that Bill Gates’s fondest memories are of the years when Microsoft went from being a couple of college dropouts in makeshift offices to a player in the new world of information technology, not of the year in which he became the richest man in the world.

    ‘The same applies to startup marriages. You’ll have fun remembering the years when you went from being scared newcomers to the point at which you realised you were going to make it. ‘Even more important, you and your spouse will have made your way together. Whatever happens, you will have shared the experience.’

    Merger marriages do have their advantages, said Dr Murray, including fewer financial pressures and a lesser likelihood of spouses outgrowing each other as identities are ‘well formed’ by the time they meet.

    But startups can be special because ‘you will each know that you wouldn’t have become the person you are without each other’. Dr Murray said that people who marry later can still acquire the benefits of a startup marriage by making a major change to their lives, such as changing jobs.

    He said: ‘I was 40 when my wife and I married, but in practice we had a startup marriage. I had quit my secure job working at a social science research organisation and struck out into the unknown a year before we married. That was in 1983.
    ‘Everything that has happened in my career since then – including all my major books – has happened together.’

    He believes there can be good reasons for delaying marriage, but that some of the reasons are part of the ‘Peter Pan syndrome’.

    ‘Not wanting to acknowledge that one is now a grown-up and it’s time to leave childish things behind.
    This is especially true of guys.

    'You’ll have fun remembering the years when you went from being scared newcomers to the point at which you realised you were going to make it'.

    ‘Historically, a significant reason men married was to get regular sexual access to a woman. Now, they say to themselves, why bother? Until they get old enough to realise that they’re missing out on something, which often takes a long time.’
    However, his advice is the opposite to what most modern couples do.

    According to the latest numbers from the Office for National Statistics, there were 247,890 marriages in England and Wales in 2011, with the average ages of a first-time bride and groom being 30.2 and 32.2.

    The figures contrast sharply with those of 1981, when there were 351,973 and the average ages of a bride and groom were 23.1 and 25.4.
    I've been thinking that this is true for the past 10 years or more. A lot of our friends played house or waited and waited until some perfect moment. That didn't seem to work out all that well. The women who played house eventually realized that the boyfriend was not the 'the one' but by then they were fairly old and had fertility issues. While the ones who waited until the perfect career/lifestyle moment have found that the good ones are already gone. Now they have to navigate the children, baby mamas, exes, and whatever. It's a lot of stress.

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    "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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    It's not a new notion. Back in the '80s and '90s, there were numerous reviews of data that showed that cohabitation not only did not strengthen marriages (as as claimed by the participants), but in fact was a negative indicator for a long-term relationship. In fact, I recall a specific study that showed that the negative correlation between, for lack of a better description, "cohabitation for convenience" versus cohabitation as a monogamous couple, gay or straight, was just sky-high, with something like a 70% failure rate. IOW, couples who "committed" to one another in one fashion or another after cohabitating for a year or more before committing had a gigantic failure rate as opposed to those who lived separately before committing to one another or cohabitating for only a short time (a few months, for example) before committing to one another.

    The short answer was that "try it before you buy it" is a disastrously bad idea that blossomed in the late '70s and early '80s and really should be abandoned forthwith. I personally experienced this with my first marriage, and in retrospect the science was exactly right: we had decided that we "knew everything about one another" and entered marriage as basically a mere formality instead of thinking through and carefully considering the impact upon each of our lives that it would make. Dumb, just dumb, now that I think about it.
    It's been ten years since that lonely day I left you
    In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
    Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
    Pray for me, momma, I'm a gypsy now

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    • #3
      Unless you remove data points generated by people of my generation, the thing will be flawed because the morality changed in the late 70's.
      Robert Francis O'Rourke, Democrat, White guy, spent ~78 million to defeat, Ted Cruz, Republican immigrant Dark guy …
      and lost …
      But the Republicans are racist.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
        I've been thinking that this is true for the past 10 years or more. A lot of our friends played house or waited and waited until some perfect moment. That didn't seem to work out all that well. The women who played house eventually realized that the boyfriend was not the 'the one' but by then they were fairly old and had fertility issues. While the ones who waited until the perfect career/lifestyle moment have found that the good ones are already gone. Now they have to navigate the children, baby mamas, exes, and whatever. It's a lot of stress.

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        I agree.

        When I was in my 20's I was working long hours on difficult shifts, but even then most of the girls already had kids.

        The field is fun to play for a while but then it just makes you tired from all the drama.

        "Move in together so we can fall in love" seems to be the trend with most my age. I don't want to end up spending two weeks on Jerry Springer, each night with a different show topic.

        It seems like a lot of people I know around my age are scared to death of being single so they end up in near death situations by jumping into relationships.
        Last edited by RobJohnson; Sunday, May 11, 2014, 11:45 PM.

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        • #5
          Just don't tie the knot too young. It's a good recipe for divorce. Seriously, a lot of people who get divorced got married ridiculously young. Maturity has a lot to do with things too.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Lanie View Post
            Just don't tie the knot too young. It's a good recipe for divorce. Seriously, a lot of people who get divorced got married ridiculously young. Maturity has a lot to do with things too.
            Getting married at 15 is too young but emerging evidence shows that waiting until 35 may be too old. The difference between 'start-up' marriages and 'merger' marriages is interesting. Leave it too late an you may not have the mental flexibility to compromise enough to make a go of it for the long haul. Add the stress of children, bad relationship experiences, poor financial choices, etc., and that's a lot of extra stress.

            So hitting the sweet spot age-wise is good. Other research is now showing that marriage failure is also closely related to mutual values. Couples who share the same faith or who share specific values (with a high degree of personal commitment) have much lower divorce rates than couples who simply share common interests and sexual attraction.
            "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
              Getting married at 15 is too young but emerging evidence shows that waiting until 35 may be too old. The difference between 'start-up' marriages and 'merger' marriages is interesting. Leave it too late an you may not have the mental flexibility to compromise enough to make a go of it for the long haul. Add the stress of children, bad relationship experiences, poor financial choices, etc., and that's a lot of extra stress.

              So hitting the sweet spot age-wise is good. Other research is now showing that marriage failure is also closely related to mutual values. Couples who share the same faith or who share specific values (with a high degree of personal commitment) have much lower divorce rates than couples who simply share common interests and sexual attraction.
              IOW, there's not much hope for me. Thanks.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Lanie View Post
                IOW, there's not much hope for me. Thanks.
                Why would you say that? Are you attracted to unsuitable men?

                These articles and stats speak to broad population trends, not individual outcomes.
                "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Lanie View Post
                  Just don't tie the knot too young. It's a good recipe for divorce. Seriously, a lot of people who get divorced got married ridiculously young. Maturity has a lot to do with things too.
                  I was first married when I was 7 and it was to my 2nd grade teacher, she just did not know it.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
                    Why would you say that? Are you attracted to unsuitable men?

                    These articles and stats speak to broad population trends, not individual outcomes.
                    I've been accused of being too picky. I want to make sure he's right. I am thirty-four years old.

                    Originally posted by RobJohnson View Post
                    I was first married when I was 7 and it was to my 2nd grade teacher, she just did not know it.
                    That's the way to do it.

                    My 2nd grade teacher was awful. Adults shook in horror to hear her name years later.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Lanie View Post
                      Just don't tie the knot too young. It's a good recipe for divorce. Seriously, a lot of people who get divorced got married ridiculously young. Maturity has a lot to do with things too.
                      Is four days shy of your 21st birthday too young? I'm still stuck with that same woman after 40 years.
                      If it pays, it stays

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Lanie View Post
                        IOW, there's not much hope for me. Thanks.
                        You will find your hawt knight in shinning armor, you guys will get a long great, he won't have any baggage or children, then you will find out he's gay.
                        '

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by RobJohnson View Post
                          You will find your hawt knight in shinning armor, you guys will get a long great, he won't have any baggage or children, then you will find out he's gay.
                          '
                          Been there and done that.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
                            Why would you say that? Are you attracted to unsuitable men?

                            These articles and stats speak to broad population trends, not individual outcomes.
                            I rarely agree with Lanie... But I'm in a dating desert. I have tried to make it work, and re-opening to long distance, but I haven't had any success. I am younger than Lanie (not by much), but guys who aren't afraid are pretty much already taken.

                            ~Dallas

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Dallas View Post
                              I rarely agree with Lanie... But I'm in a dating desert. I have tried to make it work, and re-opening to long distance, but I haven't had any success. I am younger than Lanie (not by much), but guys who aren't afraid are pretty much already taken.

                              ~Dallas
                              Save the whip and nipple clips for the second date maybe?
                              We are so fucked.

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