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    Can you spot the difference? How J.Crew’s factory outlet doesn’t actually sell discounted old stock – but cheap knock offs

    Clothes found in outlet stores are simply 'based on' old, full-price stock

    J. Crew Factory uses cheaper fabrics to produce lower quality products

    By OLIVIA FLEMING
    PUBLISHED: 15:28 EST, 19 May 2014 | UPDATED: 16:20 EST, 19 May 2014

    It has long been assumed that J. Crew Factory simply sells old, unwanted stock at a heavily discounted price. But these 'deals' might not be what they seem.

    Rather, the outlet store is actually selling knock-offs of its own products, creating a separate line of lower-quality goods that look similar to what can be found in the main retail store.

    According to Buzzfeed, most outlet items from J. Crew, Gap and even Off 5th are simply 'based on (full-price) products sold in previous seasons'.

    Saks Fifth Avenue factory store, Off 5th, even admitted to investors last year that only 10per cent of the outlet merchandise is leftover Saks inventory. With 25per cent of the factory stock made up of private-label goods from brands like Rag and Bone and Alice + Olivia, the rest, 65per cent, is actually merchandise created specifically for Off 5th by 'brand-appropriate' vendors.

    Nordstrom Rack, the department store's popular discount store, does this too. The company notes in a press release: 'The Rack carries merchandise from Nordstrom stores and Nordstrom.com, as well as specially-purchased items from many of the top brands sold at Nordstrom.'

    To an untrained eye, J. Crew Factory's version looks like it is the same dress, just two seasons old. But in fact, the near identical dress, selling for $74.50, is made from polyester. Items sold at the J. Crew Factory, both online and in store, will often use the same prints as full-priced items, but the fabric can be markedly different.

    Take for example, last summer's Punk Floral Print scoop dress, which was made from silk dupioni and retailed at J. Crew for $178. To an untrained eye, J. Crew Factory's version looks like it is the same dress, just two seasons old. But in fact, the near identical dress, selling for $74.50, is made from polyester.

    Similarly, J. Crew's well-known linen Carrie Dot dress from last summer ($148) is also available online at J. Crew Factory. However, the outlet dress ($104.50) is made from cotton, and unlike the full-priced version, a mismatched seam can be found at the back.

    These 'potentially misleading marketing practices by outlet stores' are now being investigated by the Federal Trade Commission after four members of Congress looked at 'the difficulty in identifying made-for-outlet goods' and the 'deceptive reference pricing.'

    And J. Crew isn't alone. Bebe told investors that it sustains its outlets with 65per cent made-for-outlet merchandise, while American Eagle has said it anticipates carrying 75per cent made-for-factory items starting this year. Under Armour said in September that its outlets carry 75per cent made-for-outlet goods, while Coach and high-end luggage maker Tumi have said 85per cent of their outlet goods are made-for-factory.

    LearnVest noted in 2011 that as retailers have begun to recognize the profitability of attracting Americans -- and even tourists -- who are looking for a deal, they are now building an industry around outlet shopping that is completely separate from their regular business.

    Saks Fifth Avenue factory store, Off 5th, admitted to investors last year that only 10per cent of the outlet merchandise is leftover Saks inventory.
    Interesting. Pix at the link.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...#ixzz32Cn8ek8z
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  • #2
    I hate that this is a Congressional issue.

    When I was a kid, once or twice a year we went to the "outlets" to buy some of our clothes. Back then, it truly was a factory outlet. No nice town square type stores. We went to the Izod outlet that was a concrete building, with concrete floors and metal tables where we had to go through the clothes meticulously to find clothing that didn't have obvious manufacturing mistakes (rugby shirts whose stripes were mismatched; bleeds through the colors; sewing mistakes,etc.). These were true factory rejects...not good enough to put in the stores, but close enough for the lower middle class like me to be able to wear the designer label without my family having to get a second mortgage on the house to pay for it.

    While it is interesting that J.Crew is using lower quality, I've often found it interesting that today's outlets (at least where I live) have very little in common with the factory outlets I visited as a kid.
    Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
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    • #3
      I've gone with girlfriends a few times but never bought anything. I thought the quality was poor but I think that about a lot of department store offerings. It's the curse of the home sewer.
      "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
        I've gone with girlfriends a few times but never bought anything. I thought the quality was poor but I think that about a lot of department store offerings. It's the curse of the home sewer.
        I can only imagine. I never had a knack for sewing or anything "crafty". My mom used to sew a lot when we were young....our costumes and some of her more formal attire. She did beautiful work, although she didn't make every day clothing much. When we had 4 or 5 costumes each for our dance shows she would make ours, and often several of the other girls' whose moms couldn't sew. I always noticed that our costumes looked so much nicer than everyone else's. She recently told me that she always made the "pattern" costume for everyone else to follow...primarily so that if she made a mistake nobody else realized it because they all copied hers! I always knew my mama wasn't no dummy!
        Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
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        • #5
          Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
          I can only imagine. I never had a knack for sewing or anything "crafty". My mom used to sew a lot when we were young....our costumes and some of her more formal attire. She did beautiful work, although she didn't make every day clothing much. When we had 4 or 5 costumes each for our dance shows she would make ours, and often several of the other girls' whose moms couldn't sew. I always noticed that our costumes looked so much nicer than everyone else's. She recently told me that she always made the "pattern" costume for everyone else to follow...primarily so that if she made a mistake nobody else realized it because they all copied hers! I always knew my mama wasn't no dummy!
          Pretty smart move!

          Sewing isn't rocket science which is why almost all American women made clothing routinely until ready-to-wear became cheap. If you just go slowly and actually fit whatever the garment is as you go along, anybody can turn out clothing that is way superior to department stores or boutique-type stores.

          The biggest mistakes I see in home sewing are poor fabric choice (quilting cotton is for quilts), crooked seams (take your time!), and wrong size choices (adapting a size 10 pattern to a size 20 body won't work - stop it).
          "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
            Pretty smart move!

            Sewing isn't rocket science which is why almost all American women made clothing routinely until ready-to-wear became cheap. If you just go slowly and actually fit whatever the garment is as you go along, anybody can turn out clothing that is way superior to department stores or boutique-type stores.

            The biggest mistakes I see in home sewing are poor fabric choice (quilting cotton is for quilts), crooked seams (take your time!), and wrong size choices (adapting a size 10 pattern to a size 20 body won't work - stop it).
            I had to take sewing in school. I was horrible at it. I almost didn't finish one project because i never really got it started...apparently my thread was too thick for the machine and it took 2 classes before the last class before the teacher noticed how little I had gotten done and corrected it for me. But it is a task that one has to be patient with and I don't have that kind of patience. I'd love to see some of your work if you'd ever feel like posting. I'm sure your knitting work is gorgeous.
            Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
            Robert Southwell, S.J.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
              I had to take sewing in school. I was horrible at it. I almost didn't finish one project because i never really got it started...apparently my thread was too thick for the machine and it took 2 classes before the last class before the teacher noticed how little I had gotten done and corrected it for me. But it is a task that one has to be patient with and I don't have that kind of patience. I'd love to see some of your work if you'd ever feel like posting. I'm sure your knitting work is gorgeous.
              I would peg my knitting level at Advanced Intermediate. I'm going to take an Estonian lace knitting class later this summer. I don't consider anybody an advanced knitter if he or she can't "unknit" extreme mistakes and I can't do that (yet). I just use a lot of life lines and rip back.

              I know and use couture sewing techniques and over the past 6 or 7 years I've been doing heirloom sewing. I sew for reenactors from time to time and researching authentic techniques got me interested in heirloom techniques. Two of my Aunts were couture seamstresses for about 8 years so they taught me a lot. I don't consider myself an expert (as they were). In sewing I'm more like Beginning Advanced. I still cry and curse.
              "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
                I would peg my knitting level at Advanced Intermediate. I'm going to take an Estonian lace knitting class later this summer. I don't consider anybody an advanced knitter if he or she can't "unknit" extreme mistakes and I can't do that (yet). I just use a lot of life lines and rip back.

                I know and use couture sewing techniques and over the past 6 or 7 years I've been doing heirloom sewing. I sew for reenactors from time to time and researching authentic techniques got me interested in heirloom techniques. Two of my Aunts were couture seamstresses for about 8 years so they taught me a lot. I don't consider myself an expert (as they were). In sewing I'm more like Beginning Advanced. I still cry and curse.
                So...in crochet I'm more like beginning beginner, so trust me...I'd be incredibly impressed by your work. I'm keeping the first pair of gloves I made because after making about 6 or 7 other pairs since then I can really laugh at how horrible the first pair was.
                Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
                Robert Southwell, S.J.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
                  So...in crochet I'm more like beginning beginner, so trust me...I'd be incredibly impressed by your work. I'm keeping the first pair of gloves I made because after making about 6 or 7 other pairs since then I can really laugh at how horrible the first pair was.
                  We all laugh at our own work. The first pair of socks I made were literally perfect. It took like 3 weeks and I agonized over every line in the instructions. After that I thought I could knit socks. No. I could follow a very simple, very detailed, error-free pattern like a robot. The next 2 pairs were disasters. Then I decided to learn to knit a sock. A very different process.

                  I still make wonky socks when I try a very new technique. A friend turns them into dolls.
                  "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
                    I hate that this is a Congressional issue.

                    When I was a kid, once or twice a year we went to the "outlets" to buy some of our clothes. Back then, it truly was a factory outlet. No nice town square type stores. We went to the Izod outlet that was a concrete building, with concrete floors and metal tables where we had to go through the clothes meticulously to find clothing that didn't have obvious manufacturing mistakes (rugby shirts whose stripes were mismatched; bleeds through the colors; sewing mistakes,etc.). These were true factory rejects...not good enough to put in the stores, but close enough for the lower middle class like me to be able to wear the designer label without my family having to get a second mortgage on the house to pay for it.

                    While it is interesting that J.Crew is using lower quality, I've often found it interesting that today's outlets (at least where I live) have very little in common with the factory outlets I visited as a kid.
                    I've never found outlets to be such a great deal. Except Georgetown Leather's annual sale.
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                    And day's at the morn;
                    Morning's at seven;
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
                      I hate that this is a Congressional issue.

                      When I was a kid, once or twice a year we went to the "outlets" to buy some of our clothes. Back then, it truly was a factory outlet. No nice town square type stores. We went to the Izod outlet that was a concrete building, with concrete floors and metal tables where we had to go through the clothes meticulously to find clothing that didn't have obvious manufacturing mistakes (rugby shirts whose stripes were mismatched; bleeds through the colors; sewing mistakes,etc.). These were true factory rejects...not good enough to put in the stores, but close enough for the lower middle class like me to be able to wear the designer label without my family having to get a second mortgage on the house to pay for it.

                      While it is interesting that J.Crew is using lower quality, I've often found it interesting that today's outlets (at least where I live) have very little in common with the factory outlets I visited as a kid.
                      The big one around here for that when I was younger was Stein Mart. Whatever clothes weren't hand-me-downs came from there almost exclusively, especially school clothes, and they generally were very good deals: nicer shirts and slacks with very minor blemishes, etc. We didn't really have any clothing "outlets" around here, as in Izod or Polo or anything like that. There was (and I think still is) a Fieldcrest outlet in Murfreesboro, so we were able to get some relatively nice towels, and they also had some very nice bed linens at that same store, also at great prices.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
                        It's the curse of the home sewer.
                        It took me a moment to realize you weren't referring to a waste removal system.

                        I'm old enough to remember what outlets used to be like. Once in a blue moon someone in my family would get a wild hair to ride up to the Boaz Outlets. They were in the middle of nowhere, run down and full of stores selling goods that I, as a kid, had zero interest in. Because it was a good hour and half from Birmingham, it was always this big all day event, ending with getting greasy fast food at some place in town because there were no real restaurants back then up on Sand Mountain.

                        The town I live in now has outlets and it's by far this small town's biggest draw. But these outlets are more like an outdoor mall than a place to find bargains on slightly imperfect goods. It sucks to learn that they're selling inferior (but in a different way) clothing for what amounts to almost zero discount from the main mall store equivalents.
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                        • #13
                          Vegas has two "premium" outlet malls, one at each end of the strip. They are often flooded with shoppers.

                          I did find some good deals at the CorningWare store. Most of the mall visitors are tourists and simply like the convenience of all the shops in one place. They have no clue what they are buying and we need the sales tax revenue.

                          One of the malls is enclosed and the other is more open air like a strip mall, but different.

                          The chair massage was relaxing.
                          Last edited by RobJohnson; Saturday, May 31, 2014, 3:37 AM.

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