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    School's Christmas toy drive called 'unconstitutional'

    What dickheads. What sissy bedwetter dickheads, fucking over little kids because their widdle feewings are hurt over the word "Christ".

    News release from the American Humanist Association (Our Butthurt Is More Important Than Little Kids):
    (Washington, DC – Nov. 13, 2013) – The American Humanist Association is asking administrators of a South Carolina public elementary school to stop promoting student participation in Operation Christmas Child, a program run by the evangelical Christian organization Samaritan’s Purse. A letter was sent by the American Humanist Association’s Appginani Humanist Legal Center following a complaint from a parent of a student at East Point Academy in West Columbia, SC about the school’s push for student participation.

    “Because the purpose and effect of Operation Christmas Child is to induce impoverished children to convert to Christianity, the school’s promotion of this program violates the Constitution,” the letter states.

    Operation Christmas Child sends toys to impoverished children overseas expressly as a means to deliver proselytizing messages. The stated mission is to “demonstrate God’s love in a tangible way to needy children around the world, and together with the local church worldwide, to share the Good News of Jesus Christ.” The school has participated in the program since 2011, which has not only included the use of children to assemble the boxes of toys but asks them to donate money to Samaritan’s Purse.

    “It is a clear constitutional violation for administrators of a public school to push students to participate in a proselytizing religious program,” said Monica Miller, an attorney and legal consultant for the Appignani Humanist Legal Center. “Students at East Point Academy should not be used like this.”

    “The boxes of toys are essentially a bribe, expressly used to pressure desperately poor children living in developing countries to convert to Christianity,” the letter states, “and are delivered with prayers, sermons, evangelical tracts and pressure to convert.”

    The Appignani Humanist Legal Center is waiting for a response from school administrators. A copy of the letter can be found here.

    Naturally, the sissy bedwetters don't offer to send anything to the poor kids.

    The kicker, from the same link:
    Founded in 1941 and headquartered in Washington, DC, the American Humanist Association (AHA) works to protect the rights of humanists, atheists, and other non-religious Americans. The AHA advances the ethical and life-affirming philosophy of humanism, which—without beliefs in any gods or other supernatural forces—encourages individuals to live informed and meaningful lives that aspire to the greater good of humanity.

    ...except for poverty-stricken foreign kids, apparently. They can do without while the AHA bedwetters feel all superior.

    And humanists wonder why they have such a bad reputation.
    “I do not aim with my hand; he who aims with his hand has forgotten the face of his father.
    I aim with my eye.

    "I do not shoot with my hand; he who shoots with his hand has forgotten the face of his father.
    I shoot with my mind.

    "I do not kill with my gun; he who kills with his gun has forgotten the face of his father.
    I kill with my heart.”

    The Gunslinger Creed, Stephen King, The Dark Tower

  • #2
    Nobody has to convert to Christianity. Secular people celebrate it all the time.

    I do think perhaps having the Christian messages in the boxes when you're working with a secular school might have been unconstitutional. I do also think that "encouragement" to participate shouldn't come in the form of being allowed to dress down, getting extra credit, or any other bribe. Lots of schools don't this (don't know if this one did). It should just be a letter sent home to parents asking them if they'd like to participate (like the food drive).

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    • #3
      I'll have to take the side of the Humanist on this one. If the school were gathering toys for the Marines to distribute to American children who have a tradition of Christmas then I would be OK with it and condemn the Humanists if they tried to shut it down. However, using toys to reach out evangelically to foreign children in non-Christian cultures is not charity, it's exploitation.

      How would Americans react if the Saudis were sending missionaries with gifts to Appalachia to convert American youth to Islam?
      The year's at the spring
      And day's at the morn;
      Morning's at seven;
      The hill-side's dew-pearled;
      The lark's on the wing;
      The snail's on the thorn:
      God's in his heaven—
      All's right with the world!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Novaheart View Post
        I'll have to take the side of the Humanist on this one. If the school were gathering toys for the Marines to distribute to American children who have a tradition of Christmas then I would be OK with it and condemn the Humanists if they tried to shut it down. However, using toys to reach out evangelically to foreign children in non-Christian cultures is not charity, it's exploitation.

        How would Americans react if the Saudis were sending missionaries with gifts to Appalachia to convert American youth to Islam?
        Why you want to spoil his "poor persecuted Christians" party? Surely you know by now that logic is not welcome in the War on Christmas (tm) forum.
        "Think as I think," said a man,
        "Or you are abominably wicked;
        You are a toad."
        And after I had thought of it,
        I said: "I will, then, be a toad." - Stephen Crane

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
          Why you want to spoil his "poor persecuted Christians" party? Surely you know by now that logic is not welcome in the War on Christmas (tm) forum.
          It's not about Christians. It's about children. I do think they shouldn't have Christian messages if they're working with a secular school.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Lanie View Post
            It's not about Christians. It's about children. I do think they shouldn't have Christian messages if they're working with a secular school.
            But the proselytizing is the point. It's NOT about children. It's about missionary work. It's about bringing Christmas to the heathen. And coercing students in a public school to participate in a "Christian" missionary program, whether they agree with its goals or not.

            Like Nova, I give every year to Toys for Tots. THAT's about children.
            "Think as I think," said a man,
            "Or you are abominably wicked;
            You are a toad."
            And after I had thought of it,
            I said: "I will, then, be a toad." - Stephen Crane

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
              Why you want to spoil his "poor persecuted Christians" party? Surely you know by now that logic is not welcome in the War on Christmas (tm) forum.
              I don't see the American Humanist Association doing anything for the kids who have now lost out on some simple joy. They're too busy feeling smug and superior for saving the kids from the eeeevil Xtians.
              “I do not aim with my hand; he who aims with his hand has forgotten the face of his father.
              I aim with my eye.

              "I do not shoot with my hand; he who shoots with his hand has forgotten the face of his father.
              I shoot with my mind.

              "I do not kill with my gun; he who kills with his gun has forgotten the face of his father.
              I kill with my heart.”

              The Gunslinger Creed, Stephen King, The Dark Tower

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
                But the proselytizing is the point. It's NOT about children. It's about missionary work. It's about bringing Christmas to the heathen. And coercing students in a public school to participate in a "Christian" missionary program, whether they agree with its goals or not.

                Like Nova, I give every year to Toys for Tots. THAT's about children.
                Boxes of toys are not about children?
                “I do not aim with my hand; he who aims with his hand has forgotten the face of his father.
                I aim with my eye.

                "I do not shoot with my hand; he who shoots with his hand has forgotten the face of his father.
                I shoot with my mind.

                "I do not kill with my gun; he who kills with his gun has forgotten the face of his father.
                I kill with my heart.”

                The Gunslinger Creed, Stephen King, The Dark Tower

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Novaheart View Post
                  I'll have to take the side of the Humanist on this one. If the school were gathering toys for the Marines to distribute to American children who have a tradition of Christmas then I would be OK with it and condemn the Humanists if they tried to shut it down. However, using toys to reach out evangelically to foreign children in non-Christian cultures is not charity, it's exploitation.
                  I would agree with you if what was being done in the schools was proselytizing to the school kids. But that's not what's happening. The kids are assembling these gift boxes specifically without any proselytizing. No religious messaging is occurring in the schools in the US. The kids on the receiving end are voluntary recipients; it's not like anyone is forcing some kid in Nigeria or where ever to accept a Christmas toy and the religious message contained within.


                  Originally posted by Novaheart View Post
                  How would Americans react if the Saudis were sending missionaries with gifts to Appalachia to convert American youth to Islam?
                  So long as the mountain kids are voluntary recipients, I don't care. That's their business and if a bunch of Arab kids want to send a Ramadan gift or whatever, so long as it's not a bomb, then that's fine. That's as much cultural exchange as anything else.
                  Bask in the warmth of the Deep South
                  No one will be denied:
                  Big law suits and bathroom toots;
                  We're all getting Dixie-fried.
                  But somewhere Hank and Lefty
                  Are rollin' in their graves
                  While kudzu vines grow over signs that read "Jesus Saves."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Novaheart View Post
                    I'll have to take the side of the Humanist on this one. If the school were gathering toys for the Marines to distribute to American children who have a tradition of Christmas then I would be OK with it and condemn the Humanists if they tried to shut it down. However, using toys to reach out evangelically to foreign children in non-Christian cultures is not charity, it's exploitation.

                    How would Americans react if the Saudis were sending missionaries with gifts to Appalachia to convert American youth to Islam?
                    I think that's a very good point.
                    "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."

                    -John Locke

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                    • #11
                      If there are proselytizing messages in the box then I object
                      If not, then I don't see the problem. I went on the website to see what I could find out about the messages..but there is nothing there to give any insight.
                      Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
                      Robert Southwell, S.J.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
                        If there are proselytizing messages in the box then I object
                        If not, then I don't see the problem. I went on the website to see what I could find out about the messages..but there is nothing there to give any insight.
                        Or if they are, as stated in the OP, allowing this sectarian organization to solicit monetary contributions to the organization in a public school.
                        "Think as I think," said a man,
                        "Or you are abominably wicked;
                        You are a toad."
                        And after I had thought of it,
                        I said: "I will, then, be a toad." - Stephen Crane

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
                          Or if they are, as stated in the OP, allowing this sectarian organization to solicit monetary contributions to the organization in a public school.
                          Nope...I have no problem with that issue. A public school doesn't need to be a religion free zone..it needs to be a zone whereby no single religion is advanced. Sending toys s and school supplies to poor children is not objectionable just because Christians are doing it.
                          Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
                          Robert Southwell, S.J.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
                            Or if they are, as stated in the OP, allowing this sectarian organization to solicit monetary contributions to the organization in a public school.
                            Those donations go to Samaritan's Purse, doing things like disaster relief, helping to bring irrigation to The Middle of Damn Nowhere, Africa for farming, clean water projects, building schools, hunger relief, etc. around the world's most impoverished people. I can see no more problem with that than with donations to Feed the Children or the Red Cross. The people in Tacloban who are getting medical aid at this very moment are not offended that it's Christians who are helping them out.
                            Bask in the warmth of the Deep South
                            No one will be denied:
                            Big law suits and bathroom toots;
                            We're all getting Dixie-fried.
                            But somewhere Hank and Lefty
                            Are rollin' in their graves
                            While kudzu vines grow over signs that read "Jesus Saves."

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
                              Or if they are, as stated in the OP, allowing this sectarian organization to solicit monetary contributions to the organization in a public school.
                              Nope...I have no problem with that issue. A public school doesn't need to be a religion free zone..it needs to be a zone whereby no single religion is advanced. Sending toys s and school supplies to poor children is not objectionable just because Christians are doing it.
                              Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
                              Robert Southwell, S.J.

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