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    The Day We Lost Atlanta

    How 2 lousy inches of snow paralyzed a metro area of 6 million.


    On Tuesday, snowfall of just over 2 inches shut down metropolitan Atlanta’s roads, schools, churches, government offices and businesses. Thousands of flights were cancelled at Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport. More than 2,000 school children were separated from their parents, and spent the night in buses, police stations, or classrooms. It seemed that the only places open were Waffle House and Home Depot, the former serving hash browns and coffee and the latter opening up its stores as makeshift shelters. People who didn’t camp out in supermarket aisles and hotel lobbies were trapped in cars for 10, 16, 20 hours as they tried to make commutes that normally take just 30 minutes.

    Surely to everyone else in the world, the staggering sight of one of the largest metropolitan areas in the United States brought to a standstill by a few flurries seemed comical at first. Oh, those Southerners, they don’t know how to drive in the snow! Indeed, as I tried to get home from work Tuesday evening, my tires spinning uselessly in an icy patch just yards from Peachtree Street, a trio of tourists snapped camera-phone pictures and laughed. I’m sure my Honda’s enshrined on someone’s Facebook page with a witty caption. Inevitably, people began to compare the gridlocked cars heading out of downtown Atlanta to the Walking Dead poster, Southerners trapped by a “snowpocalypse” instead of the zombie variety.

    But before nightfall, the situation in Atlanta had grown more tragic than comic. A baby was delivered by her father in a car on I-285, the “Perimeter” highway that circles the city. Parents en route to pick up kids dismissed from school early were stranded on highways. The Facebook group #SnowedOutAtlanta contained desperate pleas from moms trapped in frigid minivans with toddlers and adults worried about their elderly parents—stuck without medications.

    What happened in Atlanta this week is not a matter of Southerners blindsided by unpredictable weather. More than any event I’ve witnessed in two decades of living in and writing about this city, this snowstorm underscores the horrible history of suburban sprawl in the United States and the bad political decisions that drive it. It tells us something not just about what’s wrong with one city in America today but what can happen when disaster strikes many places across the country. As with famines in foreign lands, it’s important to understand: It’s not an act of nature or God—this fiasco is manmade from start to finish. But to truly get what’s wrong with Atlanta today, you have to look at these four factors, decades in the making.

    1. Atlanta, the city, should not be confused with Atlanta, the region.

    ...
    Colonel Vogel : What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?

    Professor Henry Jones : It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *burning* them!

  • #2
    Looks like big government failed again.

    Time for another tax increase, right?
    "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
    -John Locke

    "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
    -Newman

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    • #3
      Originally posted by scott View Post
      Looks like big government failed again.

      Time for another tax increase, right?
      Isn't any non-zero government too big?

      BTW, I think the criticism as far as government in this piece is for the decentralization of government functions.
      Colonel Vogel : What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?

      Professor Henry Jones : It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *burning* them!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
        Isn't any non-zero government too big?
        No. That's your strawman.

        Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
        BTW, I think the criticism as far as government in this piece is for the decentralization of government functions.
        Except he's wrong. Georgia politics is very Atlanta-centric and especially the Atlanta metro area. This is sheer incompetence.
        "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
        -John Locke

        "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
        -Newman

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        • #5
          The Atlanta Regional Commission was created to prevent this fiasco and it exacerbated it. Cobb county was powerless to solve their own problems.
          "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
          -John Locke

          "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
          -Newman

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          • #6
            Originally posted by scott View Post
            No. That's your strawman.
            Whatevs.

            Except he's wrong. Georgia politics is very Atlanta-centric and especially the Atlanta metro area. This is sheer incompetence.
            Doubtful. Regardless, Atlanta is not the Atlanta area any more than Fort Worth is Dallas.
            Colonel Vogel : What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?

            Professor Henry Jones : It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *burning* them!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
              Whatevs.



              Doubtful. Regardless, Atlanta is not the Atlanta area any more than Fort Worth is Dallas.
              Where does the group that controls road salt and snowplows on your highways live and work? Dallas, Ft. Worth, Austin?
              "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
              -John Locke

              "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
              -Newman

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              • #8
                I don't know that a better mass transit system would help as much as the author thinks. Denver has light rail but due to various political pressures, that system has only started to be extended into areas where people actually care to go. Most of the lines service destinations that either aren't hubs (for jobs, shopping, recreation) or the destination is faster by car since light rail stations are not very numerous and some are oddly located.

                Beyond that, the light rail really only works in conjunction with the buses. Most people can't use light rail door-to-door, they need to catch a regular bus as part of the trip. When it snows out here (a major, big-time storm), the bus system gets just as clogged up as everything else. I've personally done the 3 bus transfer thing and not a lot of people will stand at a bus stop in a driving storm when the buses are sometimes over an hour late. With transfers, that totally screws your trip. I had to do it at that point but if I'd had a car, I would have just used it. Even at 15 or 20 miles an hour, I'd still be better off driving as long as I didn't use a highway.

                I'm not against light rail or mass transit - I vote for it every time and I use it myself on the weekends. I'm just not certain that it's a fix for these storm situations or as much of a fix as it first appears.
                "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                  Whatevs.
                  This is where you are disingenuous. You made an assumption, asked a question about your assumption, and then dismissed a response that doesn't confirm your assumption.

                  Why are you so irrational?
                  "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
                  -John Locke

                  "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
                  -Newman

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by scott View Post
                    Where does the group that controls road salt and snowplows on your highways live and work? Dallas, Ft. Worth, Austin?
                    TxDOT is in Austin and NTTA is in Plano. That is public and toll respectively.
                    Colonel Vogel : What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?

                    Professor Henry Jones : It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *burning* them!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by scott View Post
                      This is where you are disingenuous. You made an assumption, asked a question about your assumption, and then dismissed a response that doesn't confirm your assumption.

                      Why are you so irrational?
                      No. I posted a story, you got snarky and I treated it as such. Not really that big of a deal.
                      Colonel Vogel : What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?

                      Professor Henry Jones : It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *burning* them!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
                        I don't know that a better mass transit system would help as much as the author thinks. Denver has light rail but due to various political pressures, that system has only started to be extended into areas where people actually care to go. Most of the lines service destinations that either aren't hubs (for jobs, shopping, recreation) or the destination is faster by car since light rail stations are not very numerous and some are oddly located.

                        Beyond that, the light rail really only works in conjunction with the buses. Most people can't use light rail door-to-door, they need to catch a regular bus as part of the trip. When it snows out here (a major, big-time storm), the bus system gets just as clogged up as everything else. I've personally done the 3 bus transfer thing and not a lot of people will stand at a bus stop in a driving storm when the buses are sometimes over an hour late. With transfers, that totally screws your trip. I had to do it at that point but if I'd had a car, I would have just used it. Even at 15 or 20 miles an hour, I'd still be better off driving as long as I didn't use a highway.

                        I'm not against light rail or mass transit - I vote for it every time and I use it myself on the weekends. I'm just not certain that it's a fix for these storm situations or as much of a fix as it first appears.
                        Light rail in Dallas shut down because of the ice recently.
                        Colonel Vogel : What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?

                        Professor Henry Jones : It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *burning* them!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                          Light rail in Dallas shut down because of the ice recently.
                          Well, it's just not a 100% fix for all transport problems, that's all.

                          Honestly, I don't know what Southern cities can do to prevent big issues due to snow and ice. Maybe nothing. Maybe just telling people to go home during a window of time would help. Maybe just call it the night before and if nothing happens, write off the costs and move on.

                          I was astonished reading the comments on the Gizmodo article to read about people who did not own ice scrapers. I doubt if Northern snow handling ideas are of any use at all to cities that normally experience these conditions once in a dozen years.
                          "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
                            Well, it's just not a 100% fix for all transport problems, that's all.

                            Honestly, I don't know what Southern cities can do to prevent big issues due to snow and ice. Maybe nothing. Maybe just telling people to go home during a window of time would help. Maybe just call it the night before and if nothing happens, write off the costs and move on.

                            I was astonished reading the comments on the Gizmodo article to read about people who did not own ice scrapers. I doubt if Northern snow handling ideas are of any use at all to cities that normally experience these conditions once in a dozen years.
                            I think "stay home" is the best bet. We get one of these every couple years. Sometimes two.
                            Colonel Vogel : What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?

                            Professor Henry Jones : It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *burning* them!

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                            • #15
                              Rebecca doesn't seem to be able to deal with a basic fact of life for pretty much every city in America other than New York: businesses are moving out of the "central business district," and have been for decades. As such, all the public transit in the world is not going to help in a situation such as this one. There is no amount of public transportation, most especially public transportation that is independent of roads, that is going to help someone get from an office building at Perimeter Center to an apartment in Dunwoody. Atlanta would literally have to build more train lines than the Moscow Metro. That is simply never going to happen unless Atlanta can manage to use slave labor like the Soviets did.
                              It's been ten years since that lonely day I left you
                              In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
                              Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
                              Pray for me, momma, I'm a gypsy now

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