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    The lieutenant whose firefighters refused to leave their Washington fire station to help a 77-year-old man who had collapsed outside has filed for retirement, a city official said Friday.

    Lt. Kellene Davis -- who commanded the station at the center of the incident -- filed papers on Thursday to retire from the District of Columbia's Fire and EMS Department, said Keith St. Clair, a spokesman for Washington's deputy mayor for public safety.

    "It typically takes 45-50 days for such paperwork to be processed through channels," St. Clair explained.

    Davis did not respond immediately to an e-mail Thursday from CNN, and a call to a phone number listed for her was not answered.

    She took the step toward retirement five days after Marie Mills held her elderly father in the street and screamed for help.

    A passerby rushed across the street to bang on the door of a fire station, knowing that firefighters are trained to provide emergency medical help.

    But they wouldn't leave the station.

    The same thing happened when two more people tried to summon the firefighters for assistance, according to Mills.

    "We looked across the street at the fire station. There was a firefighter that was actually standing against the fire apparatus," she told CNN affiliate WJLA. "Everybody started trying to wave him over." But the firefighter said he had to be dispatched first.

    "I even ran to the curb and said, 'Are you going to help me or let my dad die?'" said Mills.

    Later, after an ambulance finally arrived, Cecil Mills died at a hospital. He had suffered an apparent heart attack.

    Authorities subsequently opened an investigation into the incident, though none challenged Mills' version of events.


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    McClair said Thursday that two employees of the D.C. Fire and Emergency Medical Services Department were suspended with pay in the wake of the incident.

    The firefighters' union said the incident simply should never have happened.
    Well, that will teach them.

    It's unfathomable. Our firemen and women are some of the bravest around. I can't imagine what is wrong with that department that this occurred.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
      Well, that will teach them.

      It's unfathomable. Our firemen and women are some of the bravest around. I can't imagine what is wrong with that department that this occurred.
      Rules probably.

      When Joyce worked at the local Native hospital in the ER if someone went down in the parking lot they were not allowed to help. 911 had to be called and EMS had to get the person and "bring them to the ER".
      If it pays, it stays

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Frostbit View Post
        Rules probably.

        When Joyce worked at the local Native hospital in the ER if someone went down in the parking lot they were not allowed to help. 911 had to be called and EMS had to get the person and "bring them to the ER".
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Frostbit View Post
          Rules probably.

          When Joyce worked at the local Native hospital in the ER if someone went down in the parking lot they were not allowed to help. 911 had to be called and EMS had to get the person and "bring them to the ER".
          Pure silliness. I get the "rules", but you don't watch someone have a heart attack and sit there and wait for a phone call to go help. But I get it...lawyers caused this problem and juries perpetuated it.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
            Pure silliness. I get the "rules", but you don't watch someone have a heart attack and sit there and wait for a phone call to go help. But I get it...lawyers caused this problem and juries perpetuated it.
            Is there any state that doesn't have a good Samaritan shield law?

            I can see them not walking into the middle of a gang war, especially since a person down might be "bait" so people can shoot at cops and other first responders, but a man having a heart attack on their doorstep? There is no excuse.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
              Is there any state that doesn't have a good Samaritan shield law?

              I can see them not walking into the middle of a gang war, especially since a person down might be "bait" so people can shoot at cops and other first responders, but a man having a heart attack on their doorstep? There is no excuse.
              I'm not up on this, but are first responders even covered by good Samaritan laws? My guess is that they are not, since it's their job to render aid. But I could be wrong on that, and I can definitely see a lawsuit...although I think it's utter crap and see a lawsuit in this case.
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              • #8
                There seems to be conflicting stories going on here. When I look at local reporting, while it's not stated outright, the context seems to suggest that the crew of that particular fire hall was out on a call, and the only one there was some rookie/trainee/cadet/whatever. IF (and that's a very large "if") that's actually the case, then this gets slightly more understandable if the noob was told "don't leave the station for anything; call us up on the radio if you need us." Poor stupid kid doesn't know what to do and decides he'd better follow orders or else. It's also likely, in such a scenario, that the kid in question would not have known what to do to help the poor dying man on the street, other than to try to make him comfortable until help arrived. It's not an excuse if (again, a big "if") that's the case, but it is at least an explanation.

                Telling people to call 911, however, is epically stupid. I don't care if it was the fire house dalmation, whoever it was had a radio which is a direct link to the emergency communications center, much faster even than calling 911. Anyone who can speak a reasonable amount of English could relate to the com center what was going on: "unresponsive elderly male, on the sidewalk, directly across the street from the fire house, send help right away." Whoever it was apparently actively refused to do that, which just leaves me flabbergasted.

                Sadly, this poor man's family probably has no legal recourse here. There's basically no way to prove that he would have survived had he gotten help immediately, plus there is no specific legal requirement that firemen, medics, or police actually render aid in such a circumstance. My guess is that the District will ultimately make a settlement with the family. Cold comfort indeed.
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                In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
                  Well, that will teach them.

                  It's unfathomable. Our firemen and women are some of the bravest around. I can't imagine what is wrong with that department that this occurred.
                  Union
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by scott View Post
                    Union
                    I know that's your go-to answer, but did you happen to notice that the union spoke right up and said it shouldn't have happened?

                    Believe it or not, management makes up some pretty damned stupid rules.
                    "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
                      I know that's your go-to answer, but did you happen to notice that the union spoke right up and said it shouldn't have happened?

                      Believe it or not, management makes up some pretty damned stupid rules.
                      It's not my go-to answer, it's the source of this problem regardless of whether or not the union covers its ass.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by scott View Post
                        It's not my go-to answer, it's the source of this problem regardless of whether or not the union covers its ass.
                        Sure it is. Nothing like the department worrying about liability or workers' comp costs, couldn't be just a stupid protocol put in place by admin types who've never worked in the field...none of that ever happens. It's always the union's fault. I get it already.
                        "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
                          Sure it is. Nothing like the department worrying about liability or workers' comp costs, couldn't be just a stupid protocol put in place by admin types who've never worked in the field...none of that ever happens. It's always the union's fault. I get it already.
                          It's not always their fault, I just think it is this time.
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