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    By Holly Yan, CNN and Amanda Sloane, HLN
    updated 4:07 PM EST, Mon February 3, 2014

    (CNN) -- A high-profile trial is set to begin in Florida on Monday involving a man who fatally shot a 17-year-old African-American teenager.

    The man claimed he shot in self defense. But authorities found no guns in the car the teen was riding in.

    The case is garnering international attention not just because of the similarities to the case of Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman, but also because the prosecutor in the case is the same: State Attorney Angela Corey.

    Michael Dunn shot and killed Jordan Davis, 17, in November 2012.

    Dunn told police that he asked Davis and three other teens, who were parked next to him at a Jacksonville gas station, to turn down their music. Dunn said he heard threats from the teens and saw a gun in their car.

    He said he feared for his safety, and that's why he grabbed his gun and fired into the vehicle.
    Last edited by Tom Servo; Monday, February 3, 2014, 4:28 PM. Reason: Board converted my headline to a video!!!
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    How the hell am I supposed to provide a link to the story when the board keeps stripping it and inserting a video?

    Anywho. Looks like another case for Stand Your Ground. It doesn't seem right, but the guy says he feared for his life and as we all know now, in Florida that's enough to get away with justifiable homicide.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Tom Servo View Post
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      And day's at the morn;
      Morning's at seven;
      The hill-side's dew-pearled;
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      The snail's on the thorn:
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Tom Servo View Post
        How the hell am I supposed to provide a link to the story when the board keeps stripping it and inserting a video?

        Anywho. Looks like another case for Stand Your Ground. It doesn't seem right, but the guy says he feared for his life and as we all know now, in Florida that's enough to get away with justifiable homicide.
        George Zimmerman did not employ SYG.
        The year's at the spring
        And day's at the morn;
        Morning's at seven;
        The hill-side's dew-pearled;
        The lark's on the wing;
        The snail's on the thorn:
        God's in his heaven—
        All's right with the world!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Tom Servo View Post
          How the hell am I supposed to provide a link to the story when the board keeps stripping it and inserting a video?

          Anywho. Looks like another case for Stand Your Ground. It doesn't seem right, but the guy says he feared for his life and as we all know now, in Florida that's enough to get away with justifiable homicide.
          I had the same problem the other day and it was also with CNN so they might be the culprit.

          As to the shooter, he looks like a prison man walking.
          May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
          Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
          And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
          may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Novaheart View Post
            George Zimmerman did not employ SYG.
            Correct. I don't see how this new case could use it, either. Stand Your Ground is a very specific term that covers a very narrow set of circumstances.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Tom Servo View Post
              How the hell am I supposed to provide a link to the story when the board keeps stripping it and inserting a video?
              Originally posted by Michele View Post
              I had the same problem the other day and it was also with CNN so they might be the culprit.
              It's a glitch here that I haven't been able to root out. The handy-dandy program that greatly expands the videos that people can post here unfortunately takes all CNN links where there is a video to be someone wanting to post that video, rather than a link to a story.

              I would like to personally apologize to everyone for having that video with that idiotic bint Nancy Grace show up here.


              Originally posted by Tom Servo View Post
              Anywho. Looks like another case for Stand Your Ground. It doesn't seem right, but the guy says he feared for his life and as we all know now, in Florida that's enough to get away with justifiable homicide.
              He's claiming that, and the media are doing their best to make this Trayvon Martin, Mark II, but really the cases are quite different.

              First and foremost, Dunn is an idiot. He never should have bothered with people listening to loud music in their car at some public place like that. None of his damned business, and he should have just kept his trap shut and done his business in the gas station and left.

              That having been said, I'm not completely convinced that he wasn't feeling threatened. When this story first came out, I'm 98% certain that I read a news account somewhere that the kids in the SUV fled when the shots were fired. Now, I can't really blame anyone for getting the hell out of somewhere when they're being shot at, but there's apparently some real opportunity that someone in that SUV ditched a gun along the way. Again, going off of memory here, because so far I can't find a definitive account anywhere (I haven't really looked that hard yet, either), but I seem to recall that the kids eventually drove the injured kid to a hospital, and that when they got there, only three people were in the SUV. That certainly leaves a door wide open for one of them to have gotten out and taken off with the purported sawed-off. So, IF that's actually the case, then the door is at least ajar for reasonable doubt to seep in there.

              Dunn himself fled the scene. Again, in and of itself, not a big deal: in my carry class, we were told to GTFO after firing if we felt at all that we might still be in danger. BUT, once you get to what you consider safety, then call the cops and let them sort it out. Dunn didn't do that. He went home and told no one about the shooting. So that's a great big black mark on his side of the story. If he had hauled ass up to the next exit on the interstate and then called 911, that would be a very different deal, but he didn't do that, so that looks pretty bad.

              I do think that the first degree charge is probably an over-reach. It's going to be pretty tough to prove premeditation on this one unless there is some pretty serious piece of evidence that the prosecution has, for some strange reason, not released.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Tom Servo View Post
                How the hell am I supposed to provide a link to the story when the board keeps stripping it and inserting a video?

                Anywho. Looks like another case for Stand Your Ground. It doesn't seem right, but the guy says he feared for his life and as we all know now, in Florida that's enough to get away with justifiable homicide.
                The problem with "Stand your Ground" is that anybody can CLAIM they thought they saw a gun.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Lanie View Post
                  The problem with "Stand your Ground" is that anybody can CLAIM they thought they saw a gun.
                  That's an issue with any self defense claim. Stand your Ground is simply a variation of self-defense.
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                  • #10
                    What will make this case interesting is that while we have all been obnoxious young people with loud music, we're also all thoroughly tired of Boom Cars and listening to "Boom , slap the dick, migger, muvafuttah, Boom slap de bitch, migger, muvafuttah" at every traffic light, coming through the walls and windows of our houses, in the parks, on the beaches, and anywhere else within 100 feet of these amplified assholes. I'd be surprised if a jury of six could be convinced to a unanimous verdict. Florida will once again be the racist villain because such things don't happen in New Jork.
                    The year's at the spring
                    And day's at the morn;
                    Morning's at seven;
                    The hill-side's dew-pearled;
                    The lark's on the wing;
                    The snail's on the thorn:
                    God's in his heaven—
                    All's right with the world!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Lanie View Post
                      The problem with "Stand your Ground" is that anybody can CLAIM they thought they saw a gun.
                      Show me a single successful use of that defense - "Stand Your Ground" coupled with the claim that the defendant saw a gun.
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