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    Leaks in Nord Stream gas pipelines likely ‘sabotage,’ European leaders say




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  • #2
    Was it sabotage? Russia’s Nord Stream pipeline loses pressure, is bubbling, after ‘seismic events’ in Baltic Sea



    Three sudden and separate leaks in the Russia-owned Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines in the Baltic Sea are possibly due to acts of sabotage. Gas from the gas line is bubbling to the surface of the sea, as shown in the photo above from a Danish military flight over the pipeline route, and scientists say that there had been two bursts in undersea seismic activity during the hours leading up to when the pipelines lost pressure.

    Comprised of two 1,224 km-long pipelines, Nord Stream is the main supply line for Russian gas to Europe, which gets 40% of its gas from Russia. The lines run from Vyborg, Russia to a port in Germany.


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    • #3
      I hope Biden isn't this stupid.
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      • #4
        While I never underestimate the stupidity or arrogance of the government of any country, it would not make sense for Russia to sabotage its own pipeline when they can more simply and effectively just turn off or limit the flow.
        Unless it is the beginning of a Russian scorched earth policy similar to WWII.

        If that is the case, see below.

        \/\/\/\/\/\/
        We are so fucked.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Frostbit View Post
          I hope Biden isn't this stupid.
          I refer you to Obama's first rule about Ol' Puddinghead, "Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up." That would include war.

          Putin didn't do it. He already flipped the switch to off.

          Pondering Ukraine and Biden is difficult, but given the utter gaslighting by the administration (meaning its staff and department heads) and the senile, brick-hard, angry stubborness of Joe himself, I fear we are sleepwalking into a nuclear confrontation, mostly to prove Joe is tough.

          If anything else makes sense, I'm all ears.
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          • #6
            Clarice Feldman puts some good observations together, which generally point to mismanagement rather than sabotage:

            The Weekly Whodunnit - American Thinker

            There’s always some mystery in the news that provides a blank page for fantasy thinking. This week’s mystery has initiated a storm of speculation: What happened to cause leaks in Russia’s Nord Stream 1 and 2, designed to send gas to Germany?
            That is to say, I think Russia is at fault but not because it deliberately caused the leaks which may render the pipelines at worst, irreparable, or, at best, out of commission for months.

            You see, I’ve seen firsthand the incompetence and lack of maintenance when I worked in the USSR and you’ve seen it too, if you watched the Russian invasion of Ukraine with poorly designed and maintained equipment.
            Ms Feldman distills the essence from a longer, rambling blog, Nordstream | The LawDog Files

            [Feldman quoting "Lawdog"]
            Two explosions, 17 hours apart. No military is going to arrange for two pipes in the same general area to be destroyed 17 hours apart. Not without some Spec Ops guy having a fit of apoplexy. One pipe goes up in a busy shipping lane, in a busy sea, and everyone takes notice. Then you wait 17 hours to do the second -- with 17 hours for people to show up and catch you running dirty? Nah, not buying it.

            The Nord pipelines weren’t in use. To me, that means it’s time for maintenance! Hard to maintain pipes when product is flowing.

            Pipelines running methane, under saltwater, require PMCS [Preventative Maintenance Checks and Services] quicker than you’d think, and more often than you’d believe.

            I would bet a cup of coffee that any of the required weekly and monthly checks and services since the Russians took over have been pencil-whipped. (See Andreev Bay 1982.)

            He notes they twice shut the pipelines down for maintenance -- in July of 2020 and July of 2021. Both times they had issues restarting it. Moreover, there were four major disruptions in gas flow from December 21 through April 22.

            He concedes “hostile actions are a possibility” but lists how many things can cause a rupture in an undersea pipeline: The most significant to him is the formation of “hydrate plugs” which under certain circumstances are formed from the natural gas/methane in the pipelines and preventing them requires constant work “requiring vigilance, expertise, diligence and constant water removal.” If they are not removed, the solid hydrates can cause cracks and fires. To clear these plugs in pipelines this size requires weeks of “Slow depressurization from both ends simultaneously.”

            In 2000, he notes, the Russians tried to remove a hydrate plug from a pipeline in Siberia using a butane torch and they ruptured the pipe and destroyed “several miles of very expensive pipeline.”

            Both Nordstream pipelines were fully charged with natural gas and just sitting at the bottom of the sea -- 'Hundreds of millions of cubic meters of explosive “gaseous hydrocarbons being transported by Russians, and subject to Russian maintenance.”

            This theory, while not definitive in the absence of evidence, is persuasive enough to me that the finger pointing at everyone else should take a long pause. It’s pure speculation, while the need for constant maintenance of undersea gas pipelines and Russian incompetence is not.
            Bold added.

            Ms Feldman excoriates the administration and Facebook for ongoing censorship ("I do not know of a single conservative poster on Facebook right now who has not received warnings, had posts blocked, have had their feeds restricted until well after the midterms, or were outright banned.") to suggest suspicions are at least enflamed and likely justified by such censorship. She concludes succinctly:

            I remind you that the best definition of fascism, in my view, is a coordinated state-corporate system which works to silence all opposition to an autocratic government.
            • "Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
            • "We must make sure we don’t give platforms to those lying to our faces." — Brian Stelter, leading by example.
            • “I have absolutely no intention of the Democrats not winning the House in November." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining power.
            • "Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up."— Barack Obama's 1st Rule of Joe Biden.
            • "Put aside all of these issues of concern about liberties and personal liberties and realize we have a common enemy and that common enemy is the virus." — Dr. Anthony Fauci, misquoting Pogo.
            • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
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            • #7
              Once again, with not attributing to malice what stupidity and incompetence explains quite well.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
                Once again, with not attributing to malice what stupidity and incompetence explains quite well.
                Likely. The only explanation that is NOT believable is that Russia destroyed their own pipeline.

                So why isn't the US jumping on this poor maintenance scenario?
                • "Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
                • "We must make sure we don’t give platforms to those lying to our faces." — Brian Stelter, leading by example.
                • “I have absolutely no intention of the Democrats not winning the House in November." — Nancy Pelosi, explaining power.
                • "Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up."— Barack Obama's 1st Rule of Joe Biden.
                • "Put aside all of these issues of concern about liberties and personal liberties and realize we have a common enemy and that common enemy is the virus." — Dr. Anthony Fauci, misquoting Pogo.
                • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
                • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.
                • "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." — CNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.

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