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  • Assad's War of Starvation

    I would like to see this get just as much attention worldwide as the chemical attacks have gotten.

    Assad's War of Starvation

    Just days ago in London, I listened with sadness and shock as Ahmad Jarba and leaders of the moderate Syrian opposition described how ordinary Syrians with no links to the civil war are forced to eat stray dogs and cats to survive a campaign of deprivation waged by the Assad regime.

    The world already knows that Bashar al-Assad has used chemical weapons, indiscriminate bombing, arbitrary detentions, rape, and torture against his own citizens. What is far less well known, and equally intolerable, is the systematic denial of medical assistance, food supplies, and other humanitarian aid to huge portions of the population. This denial of the most basic human rights must end before the war's death toll -- now surpassing 100,000 -- reaches even more catastrophic levels.

    ...

    The obstacles exist on both sides of the war. Outside observers from the U.N. and non-governmental organizations have chronicled the ways in which extremist opposition fighters have prevented aid from reaching those in need, diverting supplies and violating the human rights of the people trying to deliver them.

    But it is the regime's policies that threaten to take a humanitarian disaster into the abyss. The Assad government is refusing to register legitimate aid agencies. It is blocking assistance at its borders. It is requiring U.N. convoys to travel circuitous routes through scores of checkpoints to reach people in need. The regime has systematically blocked food shipments to strategically located districts, leading to a rising toll of death and misery.
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  • #2
    With all due respect, what's the point in spotlighting yet another atrocity in Syria? There is no way for the U.S. to win this and there is nothing that can be done short of an invasion and full occupation, and then what? We're either helping a murderous dictator to help the population or we're going to kill millions to help one of our enemies, and that's the best case scenario.
    "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."

    -John Locke

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    • #3
      Originally posted by scott View Post
      With all due respect, what's the point in spotlighting yet another atrocity in Syria? There is no way for the U.S. to win this and there is nothing that can be done short of an invasion and full occupation, and then what? We're either helping a murderous dictator to help the population or we're going to kill millions to help one of our enemies, and that's the best case scenario.
      It's just not fair and people shouldn't eat meat or wear leather either.
      If it pays, it stays

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      • #4
        Originally posted by scott View Post
        With all due respect, what's the point in spotlighting yet another atrocity in Syria? There is no way for the U.S. to win this and there is nothing that can be done short of an invasion and full occupation, and then what? We're either helping a murderous dictator to help the population or we're going to kill millions to help one of our enemies, and that's the best case scenario.
        The point would be to shame those assholes into allowing food aid to get to those people. I thought that was pretty obvious.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
          The point would be to shame those assholes into allowing food aid to get to those people. I thought that was pretty obvious.
          What leads you to believe that Assad and those in his regime have any shame?
          "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."

          -John Locke

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          • #6
            I know you have some strange compulsion to just argue with anything I post, but do you really want to come out against calling attention to starving people in a war zone?
            Last edited by Norm dePlume; Saturday, November 9, 2013, 1:02 PM.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
              I know you have some strange compulsion to just argue with anything I post, but do you really want to come out against calling attention to starving people in a war zone?
              Here it comes - anyone who disagrees with you has a mental defect. You really ought to try to not be an asshole so much.

              I never said I was against calling attention to starving people in a war zone. I asked what's the point?
              "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."

              -John Locke

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              • #8
                Originally posted by scott View Post
                What leads you to believe that Assad and those in his regime have any shame?
                Beat me to it.

                Wouldn't you like to go back to Mogadishu? Because Adid had so much shame for starving people....
                Bask in the warmth of the Deep South
                No one will be denied:
                Big law suits and bathroom toots;
                We're all getting Dixie-fried.
                But somewhere Hank and Lefty
                Are rollin' in their graves
                While kudzu vines grow over signs that read "Jesus Saves."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by scott View Post
                  Here it comes - anyone who disagrees with you has a mental defect. You really ought to try to not be an asshole so much.

                  I never said I was against calling attention to starving people in a war zone. I asked what's the point?
                  And I answered you. And you continued to push back. If you're aren't convinced there is a point to spotlighting an atrocity, well, I can live with that. And if my failure to convince you make me an asshole in your eyes, I can live with that, too.
                  Enjoy.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Adam View Post
                    Beat me to it.

                    Wouldn't you like to go back to Mogadishu? Because Adid had so much shame for starving people....
                    Ah, yes. Invade Mogadishu because there are starving people in Syria. That's reasonable.

                    Care to explain how you made the leap from attention to invasion? Is that the only form of attention you can imagine?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                      Ah, yes. Invade Mogadishu because there are starving people in Syria. That's reasonable.

                      Care to explain how you made the leap from attention to invasion? Is that the only form of attention you can imagine?
                      I was pointing out that we've been to that rodeo before. Scott specifically.
                      Bask in the warmth of the Deep South
                      No one will be denied:
                      Big law suits and bathroom toots;
                      We're all getting Dixie-fried.
                      But somewhere Hank and Lefty
                      Are rollin' in their graves
                      While kudzu vines grow over signs that read "Jesus Saves."

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                        And I answered you. And you continued to push back. If you're aren't convinced there is a point to spotlighting an atrocity, well, I can live with that. And if my failure to convince you make me an asshole in your eyes, I can live with that, too.
                        You're an asshole for saying that I have some "strange compulsion."

                        I'm not convinced that there is a point to spotlighting atrocity without a workable plan of action, one that will actually be considered. So far, I don't see a successful path here. That's the problem with these feel-good empty gestures, sometimes they actually lead to people being sent to a civil war without the authorization to actually fight.
                        "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."

                        -John Locke

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                        • #13
                          Oh, for fuck's sake.

                          "Stop talking about starving people, y'all. Yer gonna get our troops killt!"
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                            Oh, for fuck's sake.

                            "Stop talking about starving people, y'all. Yer gonna get our troops killt!"
                            Killed or hurt for nothing. That's the distinction you don't quite understand.

                            Also, I never said that you or anyone should stop taking about starving people. I asked, what's the point?
                            "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."

                            -John Locke

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by scott View Post
                              Killed or hurt for nothing. That's the distinction you don't quite understand.

                              Also, I never said that you or anyone should stop taking about starving people. I asked, what's the point?
                              And I answered.

                              Talking about it is the only thing I've called for, so what "feel-good empty gestures" are you opposing if not that?
                              Enjoy.

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