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    Fox News’ greatest failure: Roger Ailes, Chris Christie and the quest for a Republican president

    By the time of Glenn Beck’s departure from Fox News in 2011, Roger Ailes had been spending considerable energy discussing the consequences of an Obama reelection. For the past two and a half years, he had committed himself to blocking the Obama agenda. When the Affordable Care Act passed the previous March, “he went apeshit,” a senior producer said. Ailes instructed his producers to book former New York lieutenant governor Betsy McCaughey, a conservative health care advocate who popularized the notion of “death panels.” “He said she was the best person to talk about this,” the senior producer recalled. “He even gave her a prop: a giant stack of papers of the law itself.”

    And so Ailes set out to recruit a viable Republican candidate. In the summer of 2010, he invited Chris Christie to dinner at his home in Garrison with Rush Limbaugh. Like much of the GOP establishment, Ailes fell hard for the New Jersey governor. They talked about pension reform and getting tough with the unions. Ailes saw in Christie a great candidate: an ordinary guy, someone you’d be comfortable talking to over your back fence. But Ailes may have seen something else. Christie had Fox News television values with a ready-made reel. And, of course, Obama versus Christie was a producer’s dream: black versus white, thin versus fat, professor versus prosecutor. Maybe, just maybe, Ailes could laugh all the way to the White House and the bank. Nevertheless, Christie politely turned down Ailes’s calls to run. Christie joked at dinner that his weight was an issue. “I still like to go to Burger King,” he told the three rotund conservatives.

    In April 2011, Ailes sent Fox News contributor Kathleen T. McFarland to Kabul to make a pitch to then-General David Petraeus. “He adored Petraeus,” a senior producer said. “When Moveon.org put the ‘General Betray Us’ ad in the newspapers in 2007, Roger said it was treasonous and we reported it as such.” Ailes had already told Petraeus that if he ran for president, he would quit Fox News to run the campaign. War hero presidents were especially impressive to Ailes. It was why he spoke almost daily to George H. W. Bush. “The big boss is bankrolling it,” McFarland told Petraeus, referring to Murdoch. “Roger’s going to run it. And the rest of us are going to be your in-house.” But Petraeus also turned Ailes down. “It’s never going to happen,” he told McFarland. “My wife would divorce me.”

    Around this time, Ailes set up a meeting with David and Charles Koch, the billionaire industrialists who were financing a phalanx of rightwing groups to defeat Obama. Ailes had never met the brothers, and both sides expressed that it would be a good moment to sit down. Charles Koch flew to New York for the meeting. But Ailes, for unclear reasons, canceled. “Charles was miffed,” one conservative familiar with the meeting explained. Perhaps Ailes recognized that if details of the gathering leaked it would further cement his image as a conservative kingmaker, a fact he was working overtime to dispel. “Listen, the premise that I want to elect the next president is just bullshit,” Ailes told a reporter. “The idea that I’m grooming these Republicans is just wrong.” Though the meeting was called off, Ailes’s interests were aligned with those of the Kochs. In the winter of 2011, Ailes had called Chris Christie, the Kochs’ preferred candidate, and implored him for a second time to run. Christie turned him down again.

    The first Fox primary debate proceeded on May 5, 2011, in Greenville, South Carolina, without an A-list candidate. The aspirants on the stage were a bunch of also-rans: pizza mogul Herman Cain; former governors Gary Johnson and Tim Pawlenty; former senator Rick Santorum; and Congressman Ron Paul. Ailes’s Washington managing editor, Bill Sammon, had assured Fox executives that bigger names would show up, but Sammon proved to be misinformed. The debate confirmed what a mess the field was—a mess partly created by the loudmouths Ailes had given airtime to and a Tea Party he had nurtured.
    Colonel Vogel : What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?

    Professor Henry Jones : It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *burning* them!

  • #2
    The money shot:

    After Mitt Romney’s 2012 defeat, Mark Rozell, the acting dean of the George Mason University School of Public Policy, and Paul Goldman, a former chairman of Virginia’s Democratic Party, wrote an essay noting the inverse relationship between the rise of conservative media and the Republican Party’s ability to win national majorities. “When the mainstream media reigned supreme, between 1952 and 1988, Republicans won seven out of the ten presidential elections,” they reported. “Conservative talk show hosts and Fox News blame the ‘lamestream’ national media’s ‘liberal bias’ for the GOP’s poor showing since 1992. Yet the rise of the conservative-dominated media defines the era when the fortunes of GOP presidential hopefuls dropped to the worst levels since the party’s founding in 1856.” Perhaps the freak show had become too freakish.
    Colonel Vogel : What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?

    Professor Henry Jones : It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *burning* them!

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    • #3
      Such fiction, but it hit all the high points of the progressives - even the booga booga KOCH!

      "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
      -John Locke

      "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
      -Newman

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      • #4
        *shrug*

        Until the Republicans purge the crazy, or at least relegate them to nothing more than bad cop in the good cop bad cop kabuki, they will not see the White House.
        Colonel Vogel : What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?

        Professor Henry Jones : It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *burning* them!

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        • #5
          Gabriel's got one hell of an imagination.
          It's been ten years since that lonely day I left you
          In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
          Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
          Pray for me, momma, I'm a gypsy now

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
            *shrug*

            Until the Republicans purge the crazy, or at least relegate them to nothing more than bad cop in the good cop bad cop kabuki, they will not see the White House.
            Why do you so often insist that those who disagree with you are mentally ill?


            This is a fetish of yours.
            "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
            -John Locke

            "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
            -Newman

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            • #7
              Originally posted by scott View Post
              Why do you so often insist that those who disagree with you are mentally ill?


              This is a fetish of yours.
              Okay. Substitute angry, vindictive, contempt for their fellow man, then. Or people in the throes of a mild case of bile which is at the bottom of their throats constantly on the call to come full force into their mouths at the mention of some poor kid not starving to death in a gutter.

              Better?
              Colonel Vogel : What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?

              Professor Henry Jones : It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *burning* them!

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              • #8
                Here's that essay that was mentioned:

                Right-wing talk shows turned White House blue
                By Paul Goldman and Mark J. Rozell

                Talk isn’t cheap, as Republicans have learned. The conservative talk show culture is proving expensive for GOP presidential hopefuls.

                Since Rush Limbaugh’s 1992 bestseller “The Way Things Ought to Be,” his conservative talk show politics have dominated GOP presidential discourse – and the Republicans’ White House fortunes have plummeted. But when the mainstream media reigned supreme, between 1952 and 1988, Republicans won seven out of the 10 presidential elections.

                Conservative talk show hosts and Fox News blame the “lamestream” national media’s “liberal bias” for the GOP’s poor showing since 1992. Yet the rise of the conservative-dominated media defines the era when the fortunes of GOP presidential hopefuls dropped to the worst levels since the party’s founding in 1856.
                Enjoy.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                  Okay. Substitute angry, vindictive, contempt for their fellow man, then. Or people in the throes of a mild case of bile which is at the bottom of their throats constantly on the call to come full force into their mouths at the mention of some poor kid not starving to death in a gutter.

                  Better?
                  Not really, because you're still just engaging in a shitload of projection. You automatically assume, unsurprisingly incorrectly, that just because someone has a principled notion that maybe, just maybe, having the federal government throw ever more money at a problem is not a solution since it hasn't worked in the last fifty years, that such a person is angry, vindictive, or has contempt for their fellow man. That is simply untrue, no matter how desperately you need it to be in order to fit your bigoted Leftist stereotype.

                  You do, however, do a very good job of reinforcing the fact that you harbor your bigoted Leftist stereotype when you throw out the tired old debunked "kids/old women/babies/poor people/any other sympathetic group starving to death in the gutter" talking point. You (pl.) did that back in '93 when welfare reform was pushed through, and it didn't happen then, either.
                  It's been ten years since that lonely day I left you
                  In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
                  Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
                  Pray for me, momma, I'm a gypsy now

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                    Here's that essay that was mentioned:
                    Looks like it was lifted straight from 'Kos or the DUmp. Lots of accusations, lots of typical Leftist bigotry-justification, no actual facts to back up the claim.
                    It's been ten years since that lonely day I left you
                    In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
                    Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
                    Pray for me, momma, I'm a gypsy now

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                    • #11
                      “When the mainstream media reigned supreme, between 1952 and 1988, Republicans won seven out of the ten presidential elections,” they reported. “Conservative talk show hosts and Fox News blame the ‘lamestream’ national media’s ‘liberal bias’ for the GOP’s poor showing since 1992. Yet the rise of the conservative-dominated media defines the era when the fortunes of GOP presidential hopefuls dropped to the worst levels since the party’s founding in 1856.” Perhaps the freak show had become too freakish.
                      Where to begin...
                      Oh my...

                      First off, conservative talk show hosts play to a contingent of conservatives.
                      That is their intended audience.

                      "Centerists" do not listen to those shows.
                      For the most part, conservatives don't listen to those shows.
                      A contingent of the right tunes in to conservative radio.

                      The audience of the top three doesn't make a dent in the electorate.

                      If the 'conservative talk shows' were the demise of the Republican surge, then it is only because the mindless on the left and the supposed fence sitters were told what those hosts were saying, filtered through a liberal tinted looking glass.

                      It isn't as if those groups tuned in to Rush et al every day and said.. "why that hateful Fuck.. I was gonna vote Republican, but now I will vote for anybody with a donkeys ass beside the name on the ballot'...

                      This is serious bull shit.

                      All of the above applies to Fox News.
                      I can't count the times I have been accused of being a Fox News Groupie on FB from some 'friend of a friend' when I interjected a correction to a meme or outright lie about conservatives, Right to Life people etc...
                      If I catch an hour of Fox News a month it should be noted on that calendar.

                      It's knee jerk at it's best.
                      One of my best friends is a democrat (lower case because he hates indigent Blacks.. I used Blacks.. not his term, but by Gawd he votes D even though those fuckers in DC keep giving them more money) by birth and union affiliation. I can make him spit and cross himself by mentioning Rush.
                      He has never heard one word that Rush said.
                      He knows that his union hates Rush, therefore Rush is the devil incarnate.
                      He knows that the D party hates Rush, therefore Rush is the devil incarnate.
                      Robert Francis O'Rourke, Democrat, White guy, spent ~78 million to defeat, Ted Cruz, Republican immigrant Dark guy …
                      and lost …
                      But the Republicans are racist.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by scott View Post
                        Why do you so often insist that those who disagree with you are mentally ill?


                        This is a fetish of yours.
                        Don't compare the awesomeness of fetish to whatever he's got going on.

                        ~Dallas

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