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    © Carolyn Van Houten/The Washington Post








    The lucky few to never get coronavirus could teach us more about it



    When her partner tested positive for the coronavirus two days before Christmas, Michelle Green worried she, too, would become ill. She was two months pregnant with their second child. He was a bartender at the time, and some of his co-workers were infected with the virus.
    “I told him to get in the guest bedroom and don’t leave,” said Green, a 40-year-old project manager at a retail technology start-up in the District. The couple, who were both vaccinated, and their toddler postponed their Christmas celebration. Somehow, Green never tested positive.

    Scientists around the world are investigating how a dwindling number of people such as Green have managed to dodge the coronavirus for more than two years, even after the highly transmissible omicron variant drove a record-shattering surge in cases this winter.
    A majority of Americans have contracted the novel coronavirus since it began to spread in the United States in early 2020, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
    Experts hope that studying people who have avoided infection may offer clues — perhaps hidden in their genes — that could prevent others from being infected or more effectively treat those who contract the virus.
    Covid deaths no longer overwhelmingly among the unvaccinated as toll on elderly grows“What we are looking for is potentially very rare genetic variants with a very big impact on the individual,” said András Spaan, a clinical microbiologist and fellow at the Rockefeller University in New York who is spearheading a search for genetic material responsible for coronavirus resistance.
    Spaan said the international study has already enrolled 700 participants and is screening more than 5,000 people who have come forward as potentially immune to coronavirus infection.






    Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
    Robert Southwell, S.J.

  • #2
    I'm vaxxed, never had symptoms, but I've never been tested, so who knows. . . .

    • "Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
    • "The woke mind virus is either defeated or nothing else matters." — Elon Musk, clarifying Fauci:
    • "Put aside all of these issues of concern about liberties and personal liberties and realize we have a common enemy and that common enemy is the virus." — Dr. Anthony Fauci, misquoting Pogo.​​
    • "Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up."— Barack Obama's 1st Rule of Joe Biden.
    • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
    • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.
    • "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." — CNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Newman View Post
      I'm vaxxed, never had symptoms, but I've never been tested, so who knows. . . .
      Likewise, same for HRH. In addition, we've both definitely been exposed. But I already knew I had a killer immune system. The only time I missed from school clear up through 10th grade was the 10 days we were quarantined for 2-week measles, but I wasn't sick. I just had to quarantine because Honoria was sick.
      "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Newman View Post
        I'm vaxxed, never had symptoms, but I've never been tested, so who knows. . . .
        If you want to know you need to have a Nucleocapsid Antibody blood draw. It will tell you if you have antibodies to a protein on the SAR-CoV-2 cell wall and not the spike protein in the vaccines.

        Joyce and I are both vaxed, but will not get boosted. At this point statically that puts you at greater risk. If you're curious why I'll dig up the journal article on Original Antigenic Sin. That's the term for a condition caused by repeated boosting with a vaccine to a viral strain that literally no longer exists.

        LINK

        We have had our Nucleocapsid blood draws done and are both negative even though from day one we exercised in tight quarters with other Crossfitters, attended parties, as well as other situations the MSM would label super spreader events.

        Related to the topic of the thread Here is a study done in the UK where a measured dose of Covid viral load was sprayed directly into the nostrils of young unvaccinated volunteers. Only 53% turned positive.

        Human Challenge Study
        If it pays, it stays

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        • #5
          My youngest might be immune. He was exposed plenty, and always tested negative,

          Mark
          Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

          "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

          Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

          Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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          • #6
            I’m like Celeste. I don’t believe Ive ever had it, but who knows. I had one sick day in 12 years of school. I was vomiting. I’ve had 2 sick days in 30 years of working. I just don’t really get very sick generally. My only hospitalization was for tonsils. I guess my immune system is pretty good.
            Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
            Robert Southwell, S.J.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
              I’m like Celeste. I don’t believe Ive ever had it, but who knows. I had one sick day in 12 years of school. I was vomiting. I’ve had 2 sick days in 30 years of working. I just don’t really get very sick generally. My only hospitalization was for tonsils. I guess my immune system is pretty good.
              Fact is without a Nucleocapsid Antibody test you have no idea if you were exposed to Covid and your body mounted a defense. I have a 30 year old good friend who's wife got Covid 18 months ago at the start. He NEVER tested positive and never had a symptom. I informed him about the Nucleocapsid back then, he got tested and he was positive for antibodies. He just repeated it last week 18 months later and he still is positive for the antibodies. Natural immunity rocks when your otherwise healthy.

              Present stats of the DHSS in Alaska show the cohort with the highest rate of new infections at present are the triple vaccinated with the double vaccinated second. The final group is the "unvaccinated". Of course they don't have a previously known infected cohort.
              If it pays, it stays

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Frostbit View Post

                Fact is without a Nucleocapsid Antibody test you have no idea if you were exposed to Covid and your body mounted a defense. I have a 30 year old good friend who's wife got Covid 18 months ago at the start. He NEVER tested positive and never had a symptom. I informed him about the Nucleocapsid back then, he got tested and he was positive for antibodies. He just repeated it last week 18 months later and he still is positive for the antibodies. Natural immunity rocks when your otherwise healthy.

                Present stats of the DHSS in Alaska show the cohort with the highest rate of new infections at present are the triple vaccinated with the double vaccinated second. The final group is the "unvaccinated". Of course they don't have a previously known infected cohort.
                Could it be that the unvaccinated are not presenting to hospitals and testing sites… merely sucking it up; whereas the vaccinated are more inclined to do reported and reportable testing? I agree that I’ don’t know if I’ve had it. Sometimes I wonder if I did or not. But honestly, if I did, who cares? I obviously didn’t get that sick from it. Just like when I got the chicken pox…twice. Had them but wasn’t very affected by it. I was pretty sick when I got scarlet fever. But I didn’t agree to get admitted to the hospital because I didn’t think I had insurance to cover it. And they didn’t realize at the time that that was what I probably had.
                Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
                Robert Southwell, S.J.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by phillygirl View Post

                  Could it be that the unvaccinated are not presenting to hospitals and testing sites… merely sucking it up; whereas the vaccinated are more inclined to do reported and reportable testing?
                  The data from Walgreens confirmed the triple vaxed as being the highest positive cohort. I thought the same as you that the unvaxed didn't bother getting tested as often but Walgreens confirmed, at least in Alaska, it's the highest tested cohort. The reason is employment. If you are unvaxed you are more likely to succumb to mandatory testing.
                  If it pays, it stays

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Frostbit View Post

                    If you want to know you need to have a Nucleocapsid Antibody blood draw. It will tell you if you have antibodies to a protein on the SAR-CoV-2 cell wall and not the spike protein in the vaccines.
                    Phillygirl writes just above, "I don’t know if I’ve had it. Sometimes I wonder if I did or not. But honestly, if I did, who cares? I obviously didn’t get that sick from it. Just like when I got the chicken pox…"

                    I agree. I figure it's like the flu. Immunity to one strain doesn't do much going forward. Like you I don't plan to get boosted.

                    Joyce and I are both vaxed, but will not get boosted. At this point statically that puts you at greater risk. If you're curious why I'll dig up the journal article on Original Antigenic Sin. That's the term for a condition caused by repeated boosting with a vaccine to a viral strain that literally no longer exists.
                    We have had our Nucleocapsid blood draws done and are both negative even though from day one we exercised in tight quarters with other Crossfitters, attended parties, as well as other situations the MSM would label super spreader events.
                    Likewise. I've been constantly in close quarters with crowds, including some people I know for a fact are not vaccinated. I remember sharing a mike with one such fellow at a community center.

                    I'm a firm believer in not touching your face, after being in contact with people, until you've washed your hands. But as far as my continued good health is concerned, it may be just dumb luck.

                    • "Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
                    • "The woke mind virus is either defeated or nothing else matters." — Elon Musk, clarifying Fauci:
                    • "Put aside all of these issues of concern about liberties and personal liberties and realize we have a common enemy and that common enemy is the virus." — Dr. Anthony Fauci, misquoting Pogo.​​
                    • "Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up."— Barack Obama's 1st Rule of Joe Biden.
                    • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
                    • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.
                    • "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." — CNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Newman View Post
                      Phillygirl writes just above, "I don’t know if I’ve had it. Sometimes I wonder if I did or not. But honestly, if I did, who cares? I obviously didn’t get that sick from it. Just like when I got the chicken pox…"

                      I agree. I figure it's like the flu. Immunity to one strain doesn't do much going forward. Like you I don't plan to get boosted.



                      Likewise. I've been constantly in close quarters with crowds, including some people I know for a fact are not vaccinated. I remember sharing a mike with one such fellow at a community center.

                      I'm a firm believer in not touching your face, after being in contact with people, until you've washed your hands. But as far as my continued good health is concerned, it may be just dumb luck.
                      Agreed. My best friend was extremely careful. It's her nature (before any trip she triple bags her liquids that are put in her suitcase; she makes a list of everything she needs to bring with her, checks it off, does the same thing when she is packing to leave vacation; even in her twenties wouldn't dare smoke in a rental car...she's very cautious, careful, OCD, etc.). She got the virus, despite triple vax and honestly, barely leaving her home except for really necessary travel such as once a week to the office and to the grocery store. She has an elderly father, so in addition to being concerned for herself she had the added concern of not bringing it to her father. They haven't had a family holiday with her siblings and their families since this started because each time it seemed "safe" to do so, somebody came down with it. It is what it is.

                      I've been "careful" but not crazy ever since I got vaxxed. Now, I just think I'm tired of it all. If it's going to get me, it's going to get me. Not much more I can do about it.
                      Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
                      Robert Southwell, S.J.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by phillygirl View Post

                        Agreed. My best friend was extremely careful. It's her nature (before any trip she triple bags her liquids that are put in her suitcase; she makes a list of everything she needs to bring with her, checks it off, does the same thing when she is packing to leave vacation; even in her twenties wouldn't dare smoke in a rental car...she's very cautious, careful, OCD, etc.). She got the virus, despite triple vax and honestly, barely leaving her home except for really necessary travel such as once a week to the office and to the grocery store. She has an elderly father, so in addition to being concerned for herself she had the added concern of not bringing it to her father. They haven't had a family holiday with her siblings and their families since this started because each time it seemed "safe" to do so, somebody came down with it. It is what it is.

                        I've been "careful" but not crazy ever since I got vaxxed. Now, I just think I'm tired of it all. If it's going to get me, it's going to get me. Not much more I can do about it.
                        The mindset of a great many of us. Went to the grocery yesterday and a man and his daughter were masked. She looked to be about 8. Sad.

                        Mark
                        Race Card: A tool of the intellectually weak and lazy when they cannot counter a logical argument or factual data.

                        "Liberals have to stop insisting that the world is what they want it to be instead of the way it is." - Bill Maher

                        Political correctness is ideological fascism. It’s the antithesis of freedom. Dr. Piper

                        Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by phillygirl View Post

                          Agreed. My best friend was extremely careful. It's her nature (before any trip she triple bags her liquids that are put in her suitcase; she makes a list of everything she needs to bring with her, checks it off, does the same thing when she is packing to leave vacation; even in her twenties wouldn't dare smoke in a rental car...she's very cautious, careful, OCD, etc.). She got the virus, despite triple vax and honestly, barely leaving her home except for really necessary travel such as once a week to the office and to the grocery store. She has an elderly father, so in addition to being concerned for herself she had the added concern of not bringing it to her father. They haven't had a family holiday with her siblings and their families since this started because each time it seemed "safe" to do so, somebody came down with it. It is what it is.

                          I've been "careful" but not crazy ever since I got vaxxed. Now, I just think I'm tired of it all. If it's going to get me, it's going to get me. Not much more I can do about it.
                          You don't say how sick she got, but she didn't die. And meanwhile, you write she hasn't had a family holiday, and she's been "barely leaving her home" since this all started. Coupled with her OCD tendencies, I'd say she's vulnerable for a bout of agoraphobia. (This is from my position as a Renown Internet Expert on My Opinions.)

                          I don't know, of course, but it seems she's giving up a lot. Does she have smallish children who are giving up family vacations for years?

                          P.S. You write, "even in her twenties wouldn't dare smoke in a rental car." That's a precaution I've never heard of, but... this triple-bagging homebody smokes? (smoked, I hope)
                          • "Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
                          • "The woke mind virus is either defeated or nothing else matters." — Elon Musk, clarifying Fauci:
                          • "Put aside all of these issues of concern about liberties and personal liberties and realize we have a common enemy and that common enemy is the virus." — Dr. Anthony Fauci, misquoting Pogo.​​
                          • "Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up."— Barack Obama's 1st Rule of Joe Biden.
                          • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
                          • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.
                          • "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." — CNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 80zephyr View Post

                            The mindset of a great many of us. Went to the grocery yesterday and a man and his daughter were masked. She looked to be about 8. Sad.

                            Mark
                            I do get angry (and keep it to myself) when I see small children swaddled up. I don't care if the kids themselves want to mask up (someone said theirs did). Maybe the kids want to play in traffic, too. . . .

                            As per our "mindset," I just turned 71! I am really a genuine oldster now! Played a private party last night and had a wonderful time. Got up early walked a few miles, had a dental check-up at 8, got some chores in front of me (yes, this is procrastination), and I'm looking forward to an afternoon nappy.

                            One of these days something will kill me, and I probably won't like it very much. But it's not going to be the Wuhan Cooties.

                            That's my motto and I'm sticking to it.
                            • "Florida is where Woke goes to die." — Ron DeSantis.
                            • "The woke mind virus is either defeated or nothing else matters." — Elon Musk, clarifying Fauci:
                            • "Put aside all of these issues of concern about liberties and personal liberties and realize we have a common enemy and that common enemy is the virus." — Dr. Anthony Fauci, misquoting Pogo.​​
                            • "Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up."— Barack Obama's 1st Rule of Joe Biden.
                            • "The way I see it, there's always, c'mon, there's always money. It's there." — Elizabeth Warren, explaining socialism.
                            • "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all.... We really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing." — Saikat Chakrabarti, then AOC's Chief of Staff.
                            • "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." — CNN's Don Lemon, showing how to stop demonizing people.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Newman View Post

                              You don't say how sick she got, but she didn't die. And meanwhile, you write she hasn't had a family holiday, and she's been "barely leaving her home" since this all started. Coupled with her OCD tendencies, I'd say she's vulnerable for a bout of agoraphobia. (This is from my position as a Renown Internet Expert on My Opinions.)
                              LOL. So she is single. She has siblings with families and an elderly father. I will say on the family holiday issue (Christmas, Thanksgiving, Easter) each time, including this past Easter, they planned to "finally" all get together for a holiday, somebody (generally a kid) came down with the 'Rona. So that family was then out. She still got together with her father, if appropriate (one of the get togethers as I recall, he ended up sick...not the Rona but a bad enough cold/flu that he said he was out regardless, both so as not to infect others and because he was just sick as hell and wasn't feeling it.

                              She doesn't have agoraphobia, but she is sort of high maintenance on these things. Since the virus she's been on a work from home due to company policy. They went back finally in November, but only with her boss' expectation that she come in person once a week. Since she travels by train into Long Island City, she really got used to not having to make that commute, so she's one of those pushing back and preferring to work from home forever.

                              I don't know, of course, but it seems she's giving up a lot. Does she have smallish children who are giving up family vacations for years?
                              No children and she has planned a vacation for this summer (an Alaskan cruise, no less...I am surprised that she'd go on a cruise ship...last place I'd go right now, honestly...the ship, not the locale).

                              She does normal stuff like going to the grocery store and the occasional mall. She did even go to the Billy Joel concert a few weeks back (work event, or else she probably wouldn't have gone).

                              So it's not that she's a complete shut in for this, but if there is such a thing as a responsible COVID community member, she is it.

                              P.S. You write, "even in her twenties wouldn't dare smoke in a rental car." That's a precaution I've never heard of, but... this triple-bagging homebody smokes? (smoked, I hope)
                              The not smoking in the rental car has to do with her being a rule follower. The contract said no smoking, even though it was a convertible. She didn't smoke in it. I did! As for the triple bagging, that refers to shampoos, lotions, etc.

                              We are best friends but total opposites. One such joint vacation, while she had a car pick her up to take her to the airport, to arrive at least 3 hours early for the flight, I managed to fail to wake up, throw my newly washed laundry into a suitcase, unfolded, race to my airport, only to discover, much to my chagrin after cutting in front of about 100 people in line, that I wouldn't make my flight due to the fact that I had to check luggage. I almost left the suitcase there with the plan to just buy whatever I needed to get there. Instead, a rebooked a flight to another city (Ft. Lauderdale versus Miami I believe). Her voicemail to me was that she was in her seat and turning off the phone (rules) and would see me in the city we were supposed to meet up in. My voicemail to her was sorry missed the flight, got a different flight to another city, could she just pick up the rental car and meet me at the other city and then we'd be on our way to Key West. I'm glad I wasn't there to see her get that voicemail because I know she had a panic attack upon hearing it...but she ultimately was able to pivot!

                              Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
                              Robert Southwell, S.J.

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