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    Ford exec apologizes for saying company tracks customers with GPS

    Karl Henkel and David Shepardson
    The Detroit News


    Ford Motor Co. marketing chief Jim Farley on Thursday apologized for a remark he made Wednesday saying the Dearborn automaker tracks customers through in-car navigation devices.

    Farley, the headliner at this week’s Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, said Ford knows where and when customers drive their vehicles, but does not sell that information to third parties.

    “We know everyone who breaks the law, we know when you’re doing it,” Farley said, according to a report in Business Insider. “We have GPS in your car, so we know what you’re doing. By the way, we don’t supply that data to anyone.”

    Ford on Thursday denounced those comments.

    “Ford is absolutely committed to protecting our customers’ privacy,” company spokesman Wes Sherwood said. “We do not track our customers. No data is transmitted from the vehicle without the customer’s express consent.”

    Customers give consent when they use a navigation or voice-activated system.

    Farley on Thursday apologized in an interview with CNBC. “We don’t monitor, aggregate data on how people drive. I’ve given people the wrong impression, I regret that,” he said.

    His comments coincide with a warning from AAA, which this week urged companies to protect consumer data used in GPS systems.

    “The data that today can be routinely collected by cars includes some of the most sensitive data that can be collected about a person, including information about their precise location and driving habits,” said Bob Darbelnet, president and CEO of AAA.

    And a government report released Monday found that major automakers are keeping information about where drivers have been, via data collected from onboard navigation systems. The Government Accountability Office said the automakers have differing policies about how much data they collect and how long they keep it.

    Automakers collect location data in order to provide drivers with real-time traffic information, help find the nearest gas station or restaurant, and provide emergency roadside assistance and stolen vehicle tracking. But, the report found, “If companies retained data, they did not allow consumers to request that their data be deleted, which is a recommended practice.”

    The report reviewed practices of Detroit’s Big Three automakers, Toyota Motor Corp., Honda Motor Co. and Nissan Motor Co. It also looked at navigation system makers Garmin and TomTom and app developers Google Maps and Telenav. The report, which didn’t identify policies of individual companies, found automakers had taken steps to protect privacy and were not selling personal data of owners.
    More. Like I believe this won't be used against people, sure.


    From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...#ixzz2q05Fyn9Y
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
    More. Like I believe this won't be used against people, sure.


    From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...#ixzz2q05Fyn9Y
    Remember: GPS locations of where you have driven is just "metadata."
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    In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
    Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
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    • #3
      We need a law requiring an easily accessible "off/on" switch for BOTH the gps and the black box.
      The year's at the spring
      And day's at the morn;
      Morning's at seven;
      The hill-side's dew-pearled;
      The lark's on the wing;
      The snail's on the thorn:
      God's in his heaven—
      All's right with the world!

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      • #4
        Have you never seen an OnStar ad?



        It's GM, but I assume Ford has something similar.
        Enjoy.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
          Have you never seen an OnStar ad?


          It's GM, but I assume Ford has something similar.
          That used to be an expensive add-on option. You could buy a new car without it. This problem is about standard equipment.
          "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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          • #6
            So the ability of a company to track your every move is frightenly invasive, but less so if they get some extra profit out of the deal?
            Enjoy.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
              So the ability of a company to track your every move is frightenly invasive, but less so if they get some extra profit out of the deal?
              No. I'd go into how you misread my post but I have the feeling you didn't misread anything. You're just deliberately trolling.

              Hey! Everybody needs a hobby!
              "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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              • #8
                Well, in that case, Ford's navigation system is not standard equipment on all their models. You can buy new Fords that don't have it.
                Enjoy.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                  Well, in that case, Ford's navigation system is not standard equipment on all their models. You can buy new Fords that don't have it.
                  All new cars are moving to on-board, standard GPS equipment. Most car insurance companies are working with car makers to make "black box" equipment standard.

                  Good try, though!
                  "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
                    More. Like I believe this won't be used against people, sure.


                    From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...#ixzz2q05Fyn9Y
                    Shit, no matter what you do to the settings, every search engine and web site you use knows where you are, what you buy online and what you search. Which must make for an interesting record in my case, as I often research the weird medical conditions I find in people's subpoenaed medical records, among other strange topics that come up when I'm investigating a case.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
                      All new cars are moving to on-board, standard GPS equipment. Most car insurance companies are working with car makers to make "black box" equipment standard.

                      Good try, though!
                      Senate Bill 1813 (known as Map-21) mandates that automakers install Event Data Recorders in all new vehicles starting in 2015.

                      But don't worry, the data will be used to lower your insurance rates.

                      And since it's a Barbara Boxer bill I'm sure it has our best interests at heart. Your government just wants you to be happy while it monitors your every move.
                      Science that cannot be questioned is propaganda.

                      Cameras in classrooms now.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by JB View Post
                        Senate Bill 1813 (known as Map-21) mandates that automakers install Event Data Recorders in all new vehicles starting in 2015.

                        But don't worry, the data will be used to lower your insurance rates.

                        And since it's a Barbara Boxer bill I'm sure it has our best interests at heart. Your government just wants you to be happy while it monitors your every move.
                        I'm going to keep the old Audi running for a few more years.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by JB View Post
                          Senate Bill 1813 (known as Map-21) mandates that automakers install Event Data Recorders in all new vehicles starting in 2015.

                          But don't worry, the data will be used to lower your insurance rates.

                          And since it's a Barbara Boxer bill I'm sure it has our best interests at heart. Your government just wants you to be happy while it monitors your every move.
                          Does the bill require that these black boxes wirelessly transmit this data in real-time? Or can a black box merely store the data internally and transfer it over a hard wire connection?
                          Enjoy.

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                          • #14
                            The way I read this, routine real-time transmission of event recorder data is not only not required, it's actually prohibited by the proposed law.


                            31406.VEHICLE EVENT DATA RECORDERS
                            1. Mandatory Event Data Recorders
                              1. In general
                                Not later than 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall revise part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations, to require, beginning with model year 2015, that new passenger motor vehicles sold in the United States be equipped with an event data recorder that meets the requirements under that part.
                              2. Penalty
                                The violation of any provision under part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations—
                                1. shall be deemed to be a violation of section 30112 of title 49, United States Code;
                                2. shall be subject to civil penalties under section 30165(a) of that title; and
                                3. shall not subject a manufacturer (as defined in section 30102(a)(5) of that title) to the requirements under section 30120 of that title.

                            2. Limitations On Information Retrieval
                              1. Ownership of data
                                Any data in an event data recorder required under part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations, regardless of when the passenger motor vehicle in which it is installed was manufactured, is the property of the owner, or in the case of a leased vehicle, the lessee of the passenger motor vehicle in which the data recorder is installed.
                              2. Privacy
                                Data recorded or transmitted by such a data recorder may not be retrieved by a person other than the owner or lessee of the motor vehicle in which the recorder is installed unless—
                                1. a court authorizes retrieval of the information in furtherance of a legal proceeding;
                                2. the owner or lessee consents to the retrieval of the information for any purpose, including the purpose of diagnosing, servicing, or repairing the motor vehicle;
                                3. the information is retrieved pursuant to an investigation or inspection authorized under section 1131(a) or 30166 of title 49, United States Code, and the personally identifiable information of the owner, lessee, or driver of the vehicle and the vehicle identification number is not disclosed in connection with the retrieved information; or
                                4. the information is retrieved for the purpose of determining the need for, or facilitating, emergency medical response in response to a motor vehicle crash.

                            3. Report To Congress
                              Two years after the date of implementation of subsection (a), the Secretary shall study the safety impact and the impact on individual privacy of event data recorders in passenger motor vehicles and report its findings to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation of the Senate and the Committee on Energy and Commerce of the House of Representatives. The report shall include—
                              1. the safety benefits gained from installation of event data recorders;
                              2. the recommendations on what, if any, additional data the event data recorder should be modified to record;
                              3. the additional safety benefit such information would yield;
                              4. the estimated cost to manufacturers to implement the new enhancements;
                              5. an analysis of how the information proposed to be recorded by an event data recorder conforms to applicable legal, regulatory, and policy requirements regarding privacy;
                              6. a determination of the risks and effects of collecting and maintaining the information proposed to be recorded by an event data recorder;
                              7. an examination and evaluation of the protections and alternative processes for handling information recorded by an event data recorder to mitigate potential privacy risks.

                            4. Revised Requirements For Event Data Recorders
                              Based on the findings of the study under subsection (c), the Secretary shall initiate a rulemaking proceeding to revise part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations. The rule—
                              1. shall require event data recorders to capture and store data related to motor vehicle safety covering a reasonable time period before, during, and after a motor vehicle crash or airbag deployment, including a rollover;
                              2. shall require that data stored on such event data recorders be accessible, regardless of vehicle manufacturer or model, with commercially available equipment in a specified data format;
                              3. shall establish requirements for preventing unauthorized access to the data stored on an event data recorder in order to protect the security, integrity, and authenticity of the data; and
                              4. may require an interoperable data access port to facilitate universal accessibility and analysis.
                            Enjoy.

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                            • #15
                              Some guy in Georgia left his kid in a freezing car while he went hunting. He got busted by OnStar.

                              Georgia hunter left son, 5, in freezing car during trip, police say

                              ...

                              Authorities say the boy was left alone in the car in Flat Rock and activated the vehicle's OnStar system when he got cold.

                              Harnen says when authorities arrived, the boy's father was still hunting and the car's thermometer gave a reading of 31 degrees.
                              Enjoy.

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