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    Air Force Cadets So Angry Over What Happened With Bible Verses on Campus They Have Staged a ‘Revolt’
    Mar. 12, 2014 11:55am Billy Hallowell

    The leader of a church-state separatist group says that there’s a “revolt” underway at the U.S. Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs, Colo., after officials there removed a Bible verse from a white board outside a cadet’s bedroom door following complaints that its presence was offensive.

    Cadets angry over the Air Force Academy’s removal of the verse have since begun posting scripture from the Bible and the Koran on their whiteboards in solidarity, said Mikey Weinstein, president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation.

    “The Air Force Academy has a revolt on their hands. What are they going to do?” Weinstein told TheBlaze Wednesday.

    The Bible battle started after an unnamed cadet placed text from Galatians 2:20 on a whiteboard. It read, “I have been crucified with Christ therefore I no longer live, but Christ lives in me.”

    Weinstein said 29 cadets and four faculty and staff members — 26 of whom he described as Catholic or Protestant — disagreed with the verse’s presence and reached out to the Military Religious Freedom Foundation to complain. Weinstein then contacted the Air Force Academy with concerns and the verse was subsequently removed.

    “Had it been in his room — not a problem. It’s not about the belief. It’s about the time, the place and the manner,” Weinstein told conservative commentator Todd Starnes this week. “It clearly elevated one religious faith over all others at an already virulently hyper-fundamentalist Christian institution. It massively poured fundamentalist Christian gasoline on an already raging out-of-control conflagration of fundamentalist Christian tyranny, exceptionalism and supremacy at [the academy].”


    Weinstein said posting verses outside a bedroom door is unacceptable and illegal because that’s part of the “working squadron area” — a central and public location where cadets assemble.

    But it seems some at the academy disagreed with both the removal and with the activist’s assessment of the situation.

    Weinstein shared an email with TheBlaze he said came from an unnamed agnostic cadet at the school highlighting the action that’s now underway.

    “After the Fox News article was released about the Bible verse being removed from a cadet’s whiteboard, a population of the cadet wing has in turn responded with addition religious quotes placed outside their doors in the public hallways; one of which being the original quote that was removed,” the cadet’s alleged letter read.

    It continued, “Theses posts, quotes, and comments on social media have created a hostile environment and have lead to a decrease in unit cohesion and morale and are unprofessional in the military environment.”

    Weinstein is now calling on the Air Force Academy to take action against those individuals who are posting scripture messages outside their doors, though he indicated that he isn’t sure how widespread the problem is.

    “It’s a toxic environment there,” Weinstein said of the academy. “When you have a law that is followed more in its breach than in its compliance … it’s worse than if you didn’t have the law at all.”

    Weinstein cited an Air Force culture standards document which outlines how faith and religion should be handled within the Air Force.

    2.11. Government Neutrality Regarding Religion. Leaders at all levels must balance constitutional protections for an individual’s free exercise of religion or other personal beliefs and the constitutional prohibition against governmental establishment of religion. For example, they must avoid the actual or apparent use of their position to promote their personal religious beliefs to their subordinates or to extend preferential treatment for any religion. Commanders or supervisors who engage in such behavior may cause members to doubt their impartiality and objectivity. The potential result is a degradation of the unit’s morale, good order, and discipline. Airmen, especially commanders and supervisors, must ensure that in exercising their right of religious free expression, they do not degrade morale, good order, and discipline in the Air Force or degrade the trust and confidence that the public has in the United States Air Force.
    Weinstein said those who put Bible verses on their doors deserve “non-judicial punishment at the very least.”

    Those who are put on trial for specific violations in the Air Force could see their pay docked, be kicked out or even go to jail, he said, though there is no indication that these ramifications would apply in this particular case.

    Weinstein is willing to take the Air Force Academy to court if the issue isn’t resolved.

    Air Force Academy spokesman Lt. Col. Brus Vidal told Starnes regarding officials’ removal of the first cadet’s verse, there was no misconduct and that the unnamed cadet won’t be punished.

    He said there’s a “gray area” when it comes to one’s personal room and the hallway, where the message was posted.

    “The whiteboards are for both official and personal use, but when a concern was raised we addressed it and the comment was taken down,” Vidal said.

    Weinstein disagreed, saying that the incident showed “absolute misconduct” and that the individual should be punished.

    Other legal analysts take a different stance on the matter.

    “If the cadet didn’t violate any rules, then why was the quote removed?” Michael Berry, senior counsel for the conservative legal firm the Liberty Institute’s said in a statement. “It appears that the Air Force now believes Bible verses are a violation of AFI 1-1.”

    In fact, Berry said the removal of the Bible verse and any punishment is actually a violation of the Department of Defense Instruction 1300.17, a provision that protects soldiers’ religious liberty.

    “Unless it could have an adverse impact on military readiness, unit cohesion, and good order and discipline, the Military Departments will accommodate individual expressions of sincerely held beliefs (conscience, moral principles, or religious beliefs) of Service members in accordance with the policies and procedures in this instruction…,” the provision states in part.

    Air Force Academy officials did not respond to a request for comment from TheBlaze.
    Many images of student protests on whiteboards (these are the message boards on the outside of student room doors).

    It's hard to see how this place is a hyper-Christian facility when they paid for an elaborate pagan circle to be constructed on the grounds and when they bend over backwards for Muslim students with their various dietary and observance issues.

    The Blaze
    "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

  • #2
    "God has no place in these halls, just like facts have no place in organized religion."
    “Any sufficiently advanced capitalism is indistinguishable from rent seeking.” ~ =j

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    • #3
      Sheesh.

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      • #4
        “It clearly elevated one religious faith over all others at an already virulently hyper-fundamentalist Christian institution. It massively poured fundamentalist Christian gasoline on an already raging out-of-control conflagration of fundamentalist Christian tyranny, exceptionalism and supremacy at [the academy].”
        What a spectacular crock of shit.

        Someone needs to punch Mikey here in the face while simultaneously shouting "hyperbole" at him, once every five seconds, until he learns to accept reality.


        Good grief, what a drama queen!
        It's been ten years since that lonely day I left you
        In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
        Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
        Pray for me, momma, I'm a gypsy now

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Adam View Post
          What a spectacular crock of shit.

          Someone needs to punch Mikey here in the face while simultaneously shouting "hyperbole" at him, once every five seconds, until he learns to accept reality.


          Good grief, what a drama queen!

          I think he understands reality pretty well. If I'm not mistaken, he is a graduate of the Air Force Academy.

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          • #6
            Sounds to me like whiteboards are disproportionately represented on this campus and they should have more blackboards.

            The early Christians had it easy. They never had to deal with people smudging their dry-erase Bible quotes. All they had to worry about were being fed to lions and stuff.
            Enjoy.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
              Sounds to me like whiteboards are disproportionately represented on this campus and they should have more blackboards.

              The early Christians had it easy. They never had to deal with people smudging their dry-erase Bible quotes. All they had to worry about were being fed to lions and stuff.
              Even when I was a hard ass agnostic/probable atheist/raging leftist years ago, this honestly wouldn't have bothered me. If it did, I wouldn't have reported it to anybody because I would have saw it as none of my business.

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              • #8
                Why is the Air Force Academy in Colorado?
                The year's at the spring
                And day's at the morn;
                Morning's at seven;
                The hill-side's dew-pearled;
                The lark's on the wing;
                The snail's on the thorn:
                God's in his heaven—
                All's right with the world!

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                • #9
                  I confess that I don't really know what the problem is here. If the quoteth on the whiteboard had been an indictment of fellow cadets (like if it were Leviticus You A Bad Homosexical) or even the First Commandment declaring that there is no other God but me, then I would see the offense. But the passage quoted is actually rather personal, written in the first person no less, and grammatically only applies to the author. I don't see why it would bother anyone. Besides, when you are in a situation where you might need to count on someone else, it's always handy to know who is seeing imaginary beings.
                  The year's at the spring
                  And day's at the morn;
                  Morning's at seven;
                  The hill-side's dew-pearled;
                  The lark's on the wing;
                  The snail's on the thorn:
                  God's in his heaven—
                  All's right with the world!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Hondo View Post
                    I think he understands reality pretty well. If I'm not mistaken, he is a graduate of the Air Force Academy.
                    Barack Obama is allegedly a graduate of Harvard. Paul Krugman, the world-renowned stuttering moron who literally has never been correct about a single thing in his entire adult life, is a college graduate multiple times over and some fools are stupid enough to let him teach (meaning: fuck up) other impressionable young minds on the campus at Princeton. Therefore, obviously, having a college degree does not mean someone has a grasp of reality.

                    The guy is a militant atheist, literally; this ain't his first rodeo at literally threatening violence against anyone who even believes in Christianity. He is absolutely, positively convinced that he has some special right under the law to never be offended, all the while he's going around doing his damndest to offend everyone he possibly can because he believes he's a superior human being. If there is anyone on this planet who has less of a grasp of reality, and who is more deserving of having his face pommeled until he accepts reality and stops being such a throbbing asshole, I'm all ears as to whom that person is.
                    It's been ten years since that lonely day I left you
                    In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
                    Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
                    Pray for me, momma, I'm a gypsy now

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Adam View Post
                      The guy is a militant atheist, literally; this ain't his first rodeo at literally threatening violence against anyone who even believes in Christianity.
                      The guy that you say needs to be punched in the face every five seconds is literally threatening violence? Do tell.
                      Enjoy.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                        The guy that you say needs to be punched in the face every five seconds is literally threatening violence? Do tell.
                        Good point.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Adam View Post
                          Barack Obama is allegedly a graduate of Harvard. Paul Krugman, the world-renowned stuttering moron who literally has never been correct about a single thing in his entire adult life, is a college graduate multiple times over and some fools are stupid enough to let him teach (meaning: fuck up) other impressionable young minds on the campus at Princeton. Therefore, obviously, having a college degree does not mean someone has a grasp of reality.

                          The guy is a militant atheist, literally; this ain't his first rodeo at literally threatening violence against anyone who even believes in Christianity. He is absolutely, positively convinced that he has some special right under the law to never be offended, all the while he's going around doing his damndest to offend everyone he possibly can because he believes he's a superior human being. If there is anyone on this planet who has less of a grasp of reality, and who is more deserving of having his face pommeled until he accepts reality and stops being such a throbbing asshole, I'm all ears as to whom that person is.

                          I would be curious to see any credible link to this guy threatening violence against anyone who even believes in Christianity.

                          You guys seem to think we atheists, either your "militant" version or just your run-of-the-mill live-and-let-live sort such as myself, segregate ourselves, cutting off all contact with anyone who doesn't think just like we do. Are there some who do? I'm sure there are, just as I am sure that there are militant Christians who do the same. I have a family that I love, and not one of them is an atheist. I have what I think of as a lot of friends, and only one of them is an atheist. I would be willing to bet that Weinstein is in a similar situation. Every atheist that I have ever had contact with is, so I feel like it's a safe bet. So the notion that he would threaten anyone simply for believing in Christianity, or Islam, or the fucking Easter Bunny, well I just find it pretty preposterous. I am willing to be shown otherwise.

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                          • #14
                            I don't think anybody needs to be punched over this but the complainers need to stand down.

                            Actual grown-ups (and presumably cadets) run into millions of things they personally dislike. 99% of those things are not and should not be actionable. The ability to tolerate the lame-ass diversity all around us is the mark of an adult.

                            That's what "tolerance" is all about - not cheerleading ideas you love; it's enduring ideas you find silly or lame or even dangerous as long as they are legal (tolerating the murderous speculations of a roommate is not okay).

                            Student message boards have the been an outpost for free thought since they were invented. Aside from utilitarian messages like, "Back at 8:00", they are mostly used for jokes, philosophical quotes, emotional status updates, song lyrics relevant to the owner, protests, propaganda, and crude cartoons. Saying that religious messages are not okay will also make any political/spiritual/social observations 'not okay'. If I can't quote Galatians, you can't quote Marx (Groucho or Karl).

                            Either leave it alone or force all cadets to remove the whiteboards and thereby acheive equality through subtraction.
                            "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                              The guy that you say needs to be punched in the face every five seconds is literally threatening violence? Do tell.
                              Originally posted by Lanie View Post
                              Good point.
                              Originally posted by Hondo View Post
                              I would be curious to see any credible link to this guy threatening violence against anyone who even believes in Christianity.
                              See for yourself.

                              Originally posted by Hondo View Post
                              You guys seem to think we atheists, either your "militant" version or just your run-of-the-mill live-and-let-live sort such as myself, segregate ourselves, cutting off all contact with anyone who doesn't think just like we do. Are there some who do? I'm sure there are, just as I am sure that there are militant Christians who do the same. I have a family that I love, and not one of them is an atheist. I have what I think of as a lot of friends, and only one of them is an atheist. I would be willing to bet that Weinstein is in a similar situation. Every atheist that I have ever had contact with is, so I feel like it's a safe bet. So the notion that he would threaten anyone simply for believing in Christianity, or Islam, or the fucking Easter Bunny, well I just find it pretty preposterous. I am willing to be shown otherwise.
                              I have said many times in the past that there are very few actual militant atheists in meatspace. There are also very few militant Christians in meatspace. In both cases they exist, and in both cases they are a very noisy but very small minority. Mikey Weinstein IS one of those militant atheists in meatspace.
                              It's been ten years since that lonely day I left you
                              In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
                              Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
                              Pray for me, momma, I'm a gypsy now

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