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  • Well, well, well .... White House grants extension on individual mandate

    Turns out those horrible, awful TEA Party types were right after all.

    As a consequence, Republican lawmakers, and some Democrats as well, are calling for a one-year delay in the penalties most Americans will face starting next year if they remain uninsured. Monday's action by the administration stops well short of that, and amounts only to a limited adjustment.

    Under the latest policy change, people who sign up by the end of open enrollment season March 31 will not face a penalty. That means procrastinators get a grace period.

    Previously you had to sign up by the middle of February, guaranteeing that your coverage would take effect March 1, in order to avoid fines for being uninsured.

    The extension — granted for 2014 only — addresses confusion that was created when the administration set the first open enrollment period under the law from Oct. 1-March 31.

    The problem was that health insurance coverage typically starts on the first day of a given month, and it takes up to 15 days to process applications. So somebody signing up March 16 — well within the open enrollment period — wouldn't get coverage until April 1, thereby risking a penalty for being uninsured part of the year.

    The administration "has determined that it would be unfair to require individuals in this situation to make a (penalty) payment," the Health and Human Services department said in guidance issued Monday evening. As a result, the department is creating a special one-time hardship exemption for people who get covered by March 31. And they won't have to file additional paperwork to apply for the exemption.
    Bask in the warmth of the Deep South
    No one will be denied:
    Big law suits and bathroom toots;
    We're all getting Dixie-fried.
    But somewhere Hank and Lefty
    Are rollin' in their graves
    While kudzu vines grow over signs that read "Jesus Saves."

  • #2
    Turns out they didn't need to pitch a shutdown fit.
    Enjoy.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
      Turns out they didn't need to pitch a shutdown fit.
      You're right. Harry Reid and Barack Obama didn't need to pitch a shutdown fit and put up a bunch of fencing around the National Mall. They could have tried not being completely intransigent for a change and listened to the American people.
      Bask in the warmth of the Deep South
      No one will be denied:
      Big law suits and bathroom toots;
      We're all getting Dixie-fried.
      But somewhere Hank and Lefty
      Are rollin' in their graves
      While kudzu vines grow over signs that read "Jesus Saves."

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Adam View Post
        You're right. Harry Reid and Barack Obama didn't need to pitch a shutdown fit and put up a bunch of fencing around the National Mall. They could have tried not being completely intransigent for a change and listened to the American people.
        Yeah. We all saw the "defund Obamacare" ads on TV. Republicans chose that stand. Own it.
        Enjoy.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
          Yeah. We all saw the "defund Obamacare" ads on TV. Republicans chose that stand. Own it.
          Wait, so if they were going to delay it, why did they wait until now to delay it?
          Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
          Robert Southwell, S.J.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
            Wait, so if they were going to delay it, why did they wait until now to delay it?
            It is not yet delayed. The deadline for signing up has been extended. I believe there is a difference.
            "There are four lights!"

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
              It is not yet delayed. The deadline for signing up has been extended. I believe there is a difference.
              Yes. One is called a delay. The other is called "waiting until later."
              Bask in the warmth of the Deep South
              No one will be denied:
              Big law suits and bathroom toots;
              We're all getting Dixie-fried.
              But somewhere Hank and Lefty
              Are rollin' in their graves
              While kudzu vines grow over signs that read "Jesus Saves."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Adam View Post
                Yes. One is called a delay. The other is called "waiting until later."
                I figured it was more like filing an extension with the IRS. It doesn't mean you are not obligated to pay your taxes; it just means you have more time to file.
                "There are four lights!"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                  I figured it was more like filing an extension with the IRS. It doesn't mean you are not obligated to pay your taxes; it just means you have more time to file.
                  Yes. Otherwise known as a "delay." Precisely what those horrible, awful TEA people were trying to get that was "non-negotiable" according to the White House.
                  Bask in the warmth of the Deep South
                  No one will be denied:
                  Big law suits and bathroom toots;
                  We're all getting Dixie-fried.
                  But somewhere Hank and Lefty
                  Are rollin' in their graves
                  While kudzu vines grow over signs that read "Jesus Saves."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Adam View Post
                    Yes. Otherwise known as a "delay." Precisely what those horrible, awful TEA people were trying to get that was "non-negotiable" according to the White House.
                    I don't think that is accurate. Delaying the Individual Mandate for a year is not the same as extending the deadline for signing up. The Individual Mandate is still in place for 2014; you just have more time in which to comply. Do you really not see the difference or is this just some silliness?
                    "There are four lights!"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                      I don't think that is accurate. Delaying the Individual Mandate for a year is not the same as extending the deadline for signing up. The Individual Mandate is still in place for 2014; you just have more time in which to comply. Do you really not see the difference or is this just some silliness?
                      There is no difference.

                      Q: What is the individual mandate?
                      A: A requirement to prove that one has procured some form of health insurance that is acceptable to the federal government. If your employer does not provide it, you may purchase it on your own or else you have to get it through healthcare.gov.

                      Q: When does the individual mandate take effect?
                      A: It was originally scheduled to be mandatory as of March 31. That date has now been delayed.



                      There is no difference. The compliance date has been pushed out. It has been delayed. It hasn't been delayed for a year (yet), but it has been delayed, precisely as the TEA Party asked for, and the White House and Harry Reid claimed was absolutely, unquestionably non-negotiable.




                      There's simply no way to spin this. The White House has now given out what the TEA Party asked for in the first place: a delay in the individual mandate. The Democrats shut the government down for nothing. Barack Obama personally wasted billions of dollars on putting up Barrycades and blockading private homes and businesses in his petulant little temper tantrum for nothing.
                      Bask in the warmth of the Deep South
                      No one will be denied:
                      Big law suits and bathroom toots;
                      We're all getting Dixie-fried.
                      But somewhere Hank and Lefty
                      Are rollin' in their graves
                      While kudzu vines grow over signs that read "Jesus Saves."

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Adam View Post
                        There's simply no way to spin this. The White House has now given out what the TEA Party asked for in the first place: a delay in the individual mandate. The Democrats shut the government down for nothing. Barack Obama personally wasted billions of dollars on putting up Barrycades and blockading private homes and businesses in his petulant little temper tantrum for nothing.
                        They asked for a complete defunding. Then they asked for a one year delay and stripping employer contributions from congressional employees. The White House has not now given out either of those. And Obama made clear that he was open to negotiation once the threat of shutdown was removed. This delay just shows that was true.
                        Enjoy.

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                        • #13
                          shit this is funny....

                          I don't want to do a pumpkin smiley...

                          but this is funny as hell...
                          Robert Francis O'Rourke, Democrat, White guy, spent ~78 million to defeat, Ted Cruz, Republican immigrant Dark guy …
                          and lost …
                          But the Republicans are racist.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                            I figured it was more like filing an extension with the IRS. It doesn't mean you are not obligated to pay your taxes; it just means you have more time to file.
                            Except in this situation they are indeed delaying the tax.
                            "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."

                            -John Locke

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