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    For our new Catholic devotees on the left.











    Why is that?
    Last edited by scott; Sunday, December 1, 2013, 10:18 PM.
    "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."

    -John Locke

  • #2
    He also didn't say this:

    Tea Party rocks.

    Companies should be able to get away with what they want to because governement shouldn't interfere.

    Healthcare should be all privotized.

    I kicked somebody's tail for a TV on Thanksgiving day.

    God bless corporations.

    If you lean socialist, then you must hate freedom.

    I could go on and on.




    I do think he probably would favor some more regulation in places that are really capitalist like the US. I think socialism is an idea that would never work, but I'm not going to condemn people for thinking it was the answer (although international socialists need to be closely watched by the government IMO. Hey, I just advocated more government).

    The level of zealousness in this country for capitalism is unreal, just flat out appalling. If you dare think the government should get involved in the healthcare crisis, then you're a Socialist. If you believe in welfare programs to begin with, then you're a socialist (at least to some of the more zealous tea party members). If you're a Socialist, then you're anti-freedom. It means you want to rob from the rich and give to the poor (and the poor are almost always too lazy to work, so you shouldn't have sympathy for them). Would you like to know what the tea party reminds me of? It reminds me of the pro-choice movement. In the pro-choice movement, valuing the life of an unborn child means being anti-woman, wanting to rape her with birth, and other zealous ideas. Some of these more zealous tea party members are EXACTLY the same as some of the more zealous pro-choicers. They want what they want what they want, and others shouldn't be considered. If you consider the others, then you're anti-freedom. It's the EXACT same thing.

    And THAT (not capitalism in general) is what I think Pope Francis is talking about. And don't tell me some of the righties aren't like this because I've talked to them. Heck, my sister is friends with one of them. Usually, she's cool with conservatives and don't talk her own politics, but this guy is getting on her last nerve.

    Another thing I need to add. Some wonder why the left would support Pope Francis despite his wanting government regulation on abortion and homosexual marriage and homosexual adoption (See? He is for regulation). It's because one of the bigggest criticisms the left makes is that while people are against abortion, they're often fighting any programs to help the baby once they're born. Pope Francis is getting respect for clearly being for life before and after birth. Republicans are often for it too, but the Republicans getting all the attention are the ones for cutting off WIC (and don't tell me what did and didn't happen in my own state. I can't stand it when people do that. It did happen because not everybody got their check before the cutoff). They're also getting well known for not expanding Medicaid and not leaving an answer as to who will have to pay the fine for not being able to afford it.

    In short, Republicans are getting WELL KNOWN for not having a heart. At least the politicians are. That's problem. It's not capitalism. It's the lack of heart. You have a heart, but I promise you a lot of the politicians you support don't.

    So no, Pope Francis's words didn't come out of thin air.

    But if it will make people feel better, they can still find leftists hating Pope Francis at places like DU.

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    • #3
      Oh, and Rush Limbaugh is accusing him of Marxism. All
      because he said capitalism can go too far. I honestly think
      some people hold capitalism as their God, not God. I think that's
      what he's talking about.

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      • #4
        "There are four lights!"

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Lanie View Post
          Oh, and Rush Limbaugh is accusing him of Marxism. All
          because he said capitalism can go too far. I honestly think
          some people hold capitalism as their God, not God.
          I think that's
          what he's talking about.
          And, some people hold other things..or other people..as their god.

          If you've finished reading "The Bait of Satan", I have another book that you might like to read.."gods at war". It's a serious look at what idolatry looks like in our world today.
          May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
          Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
          And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
          may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Michele View Post
            And, some people hold other things..or other people..as their god.

            If you've finished reading "The Bait of Satan", I have another book that you might like to read.."gods at war". It's a serious look at what idolatry looks like in our world today.
            Okay, who is it by?

            Just to be clear, all capitalists are not into idoltry. In fact, I'd say a lot of Socialists are. I just think some people are taking their ideologies too far. I'll admit it's made me a little bit crazy and the truth is I fear for Pope Francis's safety. I already feared it before. His comments about capitalism just really made me think "Oh crap."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Lanie View Post
              Okay, who is it by?

              Just to be clear, all capitalists are not into idoltry. In fact, I'd say a lot of Socialists are. I just think some people are taking their ideologies too far. I'll admit it's made me a little bit crazy and the truth is I fear for Pope Francis's safety. I already feared it before. His comments about capitalism just really made me think "Oh crap."
              Don't buy it. I'll send you mine when I get it back.

              I doubt this Pope has to worry about capitalists taking him out, after all, he also spoke against other things..they just haven't been in the spotlight. I came to understand (from Philly on FB) that a lot of those who are picking and choosing snippets of Evangelii Gaudium (media included), are doing so to promote their own agenda. There was a good article that I read this morning that seemed it just had to have been written by a Catholic because of the information in it. I'll see if I can find it for you.
              May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
              Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
              And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
              may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Michele View Post
                Don't buy it. I'll send you mine when I get it back.

                I doubt this Pope has to worry about capitalists taking him out, after all, he also spoke against other things..they just haven't been in the spotlight. I came to understand (from Philly on FB) that a lot of those who are picking and choosing snippets of Evangelii Gaudium (media included), are doing so to promote their own agenda. There was a good article that I read this morning that seemed it just had to have been written by a Catholic because of the information in it. I'll see if I can find it for you.
                It is probably best to link to the entire document when you are discussing it, I suppose.

                As far as picking and choosing snippets, Luke 4:23.
                "There are four lights!"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                  Thanks for the link..I knew you posted a couple of paragraphs somewhere.
                  May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
                  Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
                  And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
                  may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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                  • #10
                    I agree that cherry picking is wrong. The left will be on his case
                    soon enough regarding not changing certain positions in the church.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Michele View Post
                      Thanks for the link..I knew you posted a couple of paragraphs somewhere.
                      I couldn't post the whole thing.
                      "There are four lights!"

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                      • #12
                        That's why God made hyperlinks.
                        Enjoy.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                          I couldn't post the whole thing.
                          Obviously. But you didn't really care about the whole thing either.
                          May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
                          Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
                          And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
                          may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Michele View Post
                            Obviously. But you didn't really care about the whole thing either.
                            That is simply not accurate.
                            "There are four lights!"

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Lanie View Post
                              I agree that cherry picking is wrong. The left will be on his case
                              soon enough regarding not changing certain positions in the church.
                              You can bet on it.

                              Lanie, here's the link to the whole document that you can download to a pdf: EVANGELII GAUDIUM

                              It's long but probably worth the read. Here's kind of a neat thing to do while you're reading it; go to your "find" tab and put in the word "joy". You'll see how many times that comes up and then as you read it you can also see the word highlighted. That should give you an idea of what the Pope is trying to emphasize to Catholics worldwide..The Joy of the Gospel.
                              May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
                              Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
                              And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
                              may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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