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  • Obama could have prevented the shutdown by doing this earlier

    Today:

    Today, the Obama administration announced that people whose insurance plans were canceled this year will "temporarily" be exempted from the law's individual mandate.



    From September 30th, the eve of the shutdown

    WASHINGTON -- House Republicans will soon present a third proposal to keep the federal government funded, but it seems all but certain to be rejected by the Senate, just like the two that came before it.

    With just hours to go before the government shuts down, the office of House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) confirmed that it will put together a new continuing resolution with amendments attached to it that will delay Obamacare's individual mandate for one year and end the employer healthcare contribution for members of Congress and their staff.
    "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
    -John Locke

    "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
    -Newman

  • #2
    So Congress had a shutdown exclusively for the purpose of fucking over their staffs, I guess.
    Enjoy.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
      So Congress had a shutdown exclusively for the purpose of fucking over their staffs, I guess.
      Congress (I assume you really mean the GOP controlled House) offered this same deal to avert the shutdown. The Democrats declined.
      "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
      -John Locke

      "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
      -Newman

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      • #4
        Originally posted by scott View Post
        Congress (I assume you really mean the GOP controlled House) offered this same deal to avert the shutdown. The Democrats declined.
        And Obama said that he was open to negotiation on all of that, but not under threat of shutdown. Plus, the GOP threw in the aforementioned screwing of staff.
        Enjoy.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
          And Obama said that he was open to negotiation on all of that, but not under threat of shutdown. Plus, the GOP threw in the aforementioned screwing of staff.
          What is a negotiation when one side gets everything it wants?

          Your side looks like a bunch of petulant children now. Your guys wanted the shutdown even more.
          "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
          -John Locke

          "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
          -Newman

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          • #6
            Originally posted by scott View Post
            What is a negotiation when one side gets everything it wants?
            The Republicans didn't want a functioning government?
            Colonel Vogel : What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?

            Professor Henry Jones : It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *burning* them!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by scott View Post
              What is a negotiation when one side gets everything it wants?

              Your side looks like a bunch of petulant children now. Your guys wanted the shutdown even more.
              We all saw the "best chance to defund Obamacare" ads that ran on TV for months leading up to the shutdown. Republicans tried to accomplish through threat what they couldn't do by numbers.
              Enjoy.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                We all saw the "best chance to defund Obamacare" ads that ran on TV for months leading up to the shutdown. Republicans tried to accomplish through threat what they couldn't do by numbers.
                True.

                That doesn't change the facts. Right before the shutdown started a proposal to extend the individual mandate was offered by Boehner as a compromise. Your side refused, and now it seems you have to acquiesce due to reality anyway.

                Too funny!


                Boy oh boy how much I remember your side's shills about how great this was all going to be. Idiots compounded by ignorance trusting in the abilities of the truly incompetent.
                "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
                -John Locke

                "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
                -Newman

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                • #9
                  Well, they still haven't gotten to fuck over their staffers like they proposed. Not sure why they thought that was a good strategy. I think they just got caught up in the lie.
                  Enjoy.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by scott View Post
                    Right before the shutdown started a proposal to extend the individual mandate was offered by Boehner as a compromise.
                    Compromise for what?
                    Colonel Vogel : What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?

                    Professor Henry Jones : It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *burning* them!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                      Compromise for what?
                      Fully fund the government and Obamacare, just extend the individual mandate.

                      Kinda funny now that it's yesterday's news. The GOP was more strategic than they intended. That said, there is a huge reason this is a DEMOCRAT plan with nothing but DEMOCRATS voting for it. 2014 is going to be an interesting election.

                      2016 is shaping up to be interesting as well.
                      "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
                      -John Locke

                      "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
                      -Newman

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by scott View Post
                        Fully fund the government
                        So they don't want a government?

                        Kinda funny now that it's yesterday's news. The GOP was more strategic than they intended. That said, there is a huge reason this is a DEMOCRAT [sic] plan with nothing but DEMOCRATS voting for it. 2014 is going to be an interesting election.
                        The past two cycles I have told a friend that the Democrats were going to lose the Senate. I decided to stop doing that so they probably will.

                        2016 is shaping up to be interesting as well.
                        Good luck shutting the crazies up.
                        Colonel Vogel : What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?

                        Professor Henry Jones : It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *burning* them!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                          So they don't want a government?
                          They didn't want Obamacare

                          Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                          The past two cycles I have told a friend that the Democrats were going to lose the Senate. I decided to stop doing that so they probably will.



                          Good luck shutting the crazies up.
                          No need, the right is just as bad as the left but the left is steeped in this latest round of big government failure.
                          "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
                          -John Locke

                          "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
                          -Newman

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by scott View Post
                            They didn't want Obamacare
                            You still haven't told me the compromise. Democrats give up the Affordable Care Act and the Republicans do .... what?

                            No need, the right is just as bad as the left but the left is steeped in this latest round of big government failure.
                            *shrug*

                            We'll see, I suppose. Maybe they can keep the Republican presidential debates down to about one or two.
                            Colonel Vogel : What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?

                            Professor Henry Jones : It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *burning* them!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                              You still haven't told me the compromise. Democrats give up the Affordable Care Act and the Republicans do .... what?
                              The Republicans agreed to fund the government at the level requested by the Democrats.


                              Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                              *shrug*

                              We'll see, I suppose. Maybe they can keep the Republican presidential debates down to about one or two.
                              Doubtful
                              "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
                              -John Locke

                              "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
                              -Newman

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