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    GOP leaders get their just deserts: How the debt limit fight blew up in their faces

    Republicans praised Mitch McConnell for taking one for the team -- but he brought this on himself




    Nobody expected Senate Republicans would kill a House-passed bill to unconditionally extend the debt limit through 2014 and, as predicted, it overcame a filibuster Wednesday evening with weeks to spare before the deadline.

    But for a brief moment, Senate Republicans were overcome by a collective action problem. As a group, they surely didn’t want to vote the debt limit increase down and own the ensuing market panic. But as individuals, none of them wanted their names associated with its passage.

    For what seemed like an eternity (but was actually only about 30 minutes) the bill wobbled in limbo on the Senate floor with 58 votes — 55 from Dems, three from Republicans — two shy of the 60 required to break a filibuster and no GOP volunteers forthcoming.

    ....

    For three years now, McConnell has characterized every debt limit increase as a favor President Obama has requested of Congress — a normatively bad thing Republicans simply would not agree to without some kind of equally partisan quid pro quo. And every time he’s revealed he was bluffing. In 2011, twice in 2013, and again on Wednesday. It even worked the first time!

    But by treating what he knows to be a must-pass measure as a recurring source of leverage for Republicans, he helped foster an expectation among conservative voters that the debt limit wouldn’t be increased without concessions from Democrats. That Republicans would never honor an Obama “request” like this without pocketing something significant in return.

    Obama’s recognition of both the bluff and the tell came too late to escape the still-rolling catastrophe of the 2011 debt limit deal, but has since left McConnell and other GOP leaders without a plausible explanation for their mounting defeats. By McConnell’s own standard he’s done Obama’s bidding multiple times now, most recently without pocketing even a pretense of a concession. And as such, it’s hard to take his frustration — and the rest of the Republican establishment’s frustration — with conservative pressure groups gunning for his Senate seat seriously.
    Colonel Vogel : What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?

    Professor Henry Jones : It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *burning* them!

  • #2
    It's so funny how it was a "failure of leadership" when Obama postured against Bush raising the debt ceiling.
    "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
    -John Locke

    "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
    -Newman

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    • #3
      Originally posted by scott View Post
      It's so funny how it was a "failure of leadership" when Obama postured against Bush raising the debt ceiling.
      You think Cruz is posturing?
      Colonel Vogel : What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?

      Professor Henry Jones : It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *burning* them!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
        You think Cruz is posturing?
        Do you think Obama was correct when he was a Senator resisting the debt limit increase?
        "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
        -John Locke

        "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
        -Newman

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        • #5
          Originally posted by scott View Post
          Do you think Obama was correct when he was a Senator resisting the debt limit increase?
          I don't think he was resisting. I think he was posturing.

          I would go into the whole thing if you like but it would include things that happened prior to January of 2009 so you might not like that. Also, the dreaded, hated, willfully denied "context" would be used which really gets us nowhere.

          Any comments on Cruz?
          Colonel Vogel : What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?

          Professor Henry Jones : It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *burning* them!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
            I don't think he was resisting. I think he was posturing.

            I would go into the whole thing if you like but it would include things that happened prior to January of 2009 so you might not like that. Also, the dreaded, hated, willfully denied "context" would be used which really gets us nowhere.

            Any comments on Cruz?
            No.

            We could go into the would think if you like but it would include things that Democrats including Obama did before 2009 and you might not like that. It also wouldn't place the blame 100% on the GOP which doesn't fit your narrative.
            "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
            -John Locke

            "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
            -Newman

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            • #7
              I wonder if we'll ever hear how Cruz will be paid back for this.
              Enjoy.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by scott View Post
                No.
                Didn't think you would.
                Colonel Vogel : What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?

                Professor Henry Jones : It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *burning* them!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                  I wonder if we'll ever hear how Cruz will be paid back for this.
                  With the 2016 VP slot is my guess.
                  Colonel Vogel : What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?

                  Professor Henry Jones : It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *burning* them!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                    With the 2016 VP slot is my guess.
                    That would come under "not rewarded." I'm wondering what comes under "punished." He might lose some committee assignments, or might not get some GOP funding for a re-election campaign, but I'm thinking most of it will be more subtle day-to-day stuff like not being invited to some meet and greet functions, or maybe some back room deals that turn some benefactors against him.
                    Enjoy.

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                    • #11
                      I think we need to update Churchill. You can always count on Republicans to do the right thing—after they’ve tried everything else.
                      Colonel Vogel : What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?

                      Professor Henry Jones : It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *burning* them!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                        I think we need to update Churchill. You can always count on Republicans to do the right thing—after they’ve tried everything else.
                        Whereas Democrats can't do anything right.
                        "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
                        -John Locke

                        "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
                        -Newman

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