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    White House Press Secretary Jay Carney wound up with egg on his face Monday as he told reporters that President Barack Obama first learned from a TV news report that his Veterans Administration was denying medical care to vets with secret off-the-books-waiting lists.

    But new evidence emerged this morning that his transition team was notified five years ago about how VA medical centers' official wait-list times bore little resemblance to reality and risked denying military heroes critical health care.

    The Washington Times reported Monday that waiting times at veterans' medical facilities were known to be wildly inaccurate at the end of the George W. Bush administration. By the time Obama's transition team got a post-election briefing from the VA at the end of 2008, scheduling failures were already reaching a critical point.

    The newspaper received a copy of that briefing through a Freedom Of Information Act request.

    Obama has come under fire before for saying he was made aware of scandal-worthy shortcomings in his own administration by watching television, including the IRS tea party-targeting scandal that rocked Washington 12 months ago and the Operation Fast and Furious saga that has tainted his Justice Department for years.

    A CNN reporter asked Carney on Monday when the president was 'first made aware ... of these fraudulent lists that were being kept to hide the wait times' at VA medical centers.

    'You mean the specific allegations,' Carney asked, 'that I think were reported first by your news network out of Phoenix, I believe?'

    'We learned about them through the reports. I will double check if that is not the case. But that is when we learned about them and that is when I understand Secretary Shinseki learned about them, and he immediately took the action that he has taken.'


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    Maybe the country could save money by letting all of Obama's cabinet and advisors go and just buying him a subscription to the NYT and Directv?
    May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
    Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
    And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
    may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

  • #2
    It's been ten years since that lonely day I left you
    In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
    Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
    Pray for me, momma, I'm a gypsy now

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    • #3
      He said they didn't know about the secret waiting list at the Phoenix VA. He didn't say they were unaware of any scheduling issues at the VA. The whole point of the fraudulent list was to mislead management. Why would it be shocking that it did that?
      Enjoy.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
        He said they didn't know about the secret waiting list at the Phoenix VA. He didn't say they were unaware of any scheduling issues at the VA. The whole point of the fraudulent list was to mislead management. Why would it be shocking that it did that?
        Is it safe to assume since you appear to be for all things Obama that you also are in favor of the ACA?
        If it pays, it stays

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Frostbit View Post
          Is it safe to assume since you appear to be for all things Obama that you also are in favor of the ACA?
          It's safe to assume that since you open your query with an assertion of naked prejudice you aren't looking for an honest exchange of ideas.
          Enjoy.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
            It's safe to assume that since you open your query with an assertion of naked prejudice you aren't looking for an honest exchange of ideas.
            I opened with an observation of the culmination of your posting history here. Are you ashamed of being an Obama supporter?

            That said, when six months go by, and the default on payment by enrollees of the ACA occur and the announcement is made that premiums will raise precipitously to cover costs do you think a movement towards single payer will be the next step and if so, what makes you think the VA example here is not a predictor of the final level of care provided?
            If it pays, it stays

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Frostbit View Post
              I opened with an observation of the culmination of your posting history here. Are you ashamed of being an Obama supporter?

              That said, when six months go by, and the default on payment by enrollees of the ACA occur and the announcement is made that premiums will raise precipitously to cover costs do you think a movement towards single payer will be the next step and if so, what makes you think the VA example here is not a predictor of the final level of care provided?
              I hope this wasn't supposed to convince me of your honest intent.
              Enjoy.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                I hope this wasn't supposed to convince me of your honest intent.
                Nevermind... carry on. You've learned the art of evasion well from Bok.
                If it pays, it stays

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                • #9
                  move on... nothing to see here... just another centerest
                  Robert Francis O'Rourke, Democrat, White guy, spent ~78 million to defeat, Ted Cruz, Republican immigrant Dark guy …
                  and lost …
                  But the Republicans are racist.

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                  • #10
                    You guys are so used to the echo chamber, you cannot deal with not only mild disagreement but attempts to get you to clarify your lazy rhetoric.
                    “Thus it is that no cruelty whatsoever passes by without impact. Thus it is that we always pay dearly for chasing after what is cheap.”

                    ~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                      You guys are so used to the echo chamber, you cannot deal with not only mild disagreement but attempts to get you to clarify your lazy rhetoric.
                      can two discussion board members qualify as an echo chamber?
                      Robert Francis O'Rourke, Democrat, White guy, spent ~78 million to defeat, Ted Cruz, Republican immigrant Dark guy …
                      and lost …
                      But the Republicans are racist.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Gramps View Post
                        can two discussion board members qualify as an echo chamber?
                        Doubtful.

                        But as usual, Norm gets to the fundamental flaw in the ragegasm and that just makes the little girls tetchy.
                        “Thus it is that no cruelty whatsoever passes by without impact. Thus it is that we always pay dearly for chasing after what is cheap.”

                        ~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                          Doubtful.

                          But as usual, Norm gets to the fundamental flaw in the ragegasm and that just makes the little girls tetchy.
                          Why did a news organization figure it out before a federal supervisor did?
                          Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
                          Robert Southwell, S.J.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                            Doubtful.

                            But as usual, Norm gets to the fundamental flaw in the ragegasm and that just makes the little girls tetchy.
                            Naw.

                            Norm just picks out some obscure point that usually doesn't have shit to do with the major question and badgers it until everyone is tired of it and quits interacting with the 'look ... a shiny thing'
                            Robert Francis O'Rourke, Democrat, White guy, spent ~78 million to defeat, Ted Cruz, Republican immigrant Dark guy …
                            and lost …
                            But the Republicans are racist.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                              He said they didn't know about the secret waiting list at the Phoenix VA. He didn't say they were unaware of any scheduling issues at the VA. The whole point of the fraudulent list was to mislead management. Why would it be shocking that it did that?
                              So he was aware of the scheduling issues?
                              May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
                              Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
                              And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
                              may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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