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    The Myth of a 'War on Religion'




    Last week, the Public Religion Research Institute published a study showing that Americans want their fellow citizens to think they are more religiously observant than they really are. When asked by a live human being on the telephone how often they attend religious services, respondents were more likely to say they attend frequently. When filling out a self-administered online survey, by contrast, they were more likely to admit that they do not.

    Surprising? Not terribly. But this may be: Liberals were more likely to exaggerate their religious attendance than conservatives. Liberals attend services less frequently than conservatives do. Yet their desire to be thought more religiously observant than they actually are is greater.

    Why does this matter? Because it’s more evidence that the claim that liberals are waging a “war on religion” is absurd. You can hardly listen to a GOP presidential hopeful or flip on Fox News without hearing the charge. In 2012, Rick Perry promised that if elected he’d “end Obama’s war on religion.” Bobby Jindal recently warned that “the American people, whether they know it or not, are mired in a silent war” against “a group of like-minded [liberal] elites, determined to transform the country from a land sustained by faith into a land where faith is silenced, privatized, and circumscribed.” Ann Coulter explains, “Liberals hate religion because politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can’t stand the competition.”

    Notice the claim. It’s not merely that liberals are not religious themselves. It’s that they disdain people who are, and this disdain creates a cultural stigma (and a legal barrier) to religious observance. “Bigotry against evangelical Christians is the last acceptable form of bigotry in the country,” Ralph Reed said recently.

    The truth is almost exactly the reverse. Over the past few decades, liberals have—far more than conservatives—turned away from religious affiliation, though not necessarily belief in God. But while they may feel proud of their views on religion-informed issues like evolution and gay marriage, they’re not particularly proud of their lack of religious observance per se. Indeed, they’re aware that they’re violating a cherished social norm. Asking liberals to admit that they are disproportionately secular is like asking conservatives to admit that they are disproportionately white. It’s a truth they find embarrassing. Liberals love left-leaning religious figures like Sister Simone Campbell, the immigrant-rights-championing nun who addressed the 2012 Democratic National Convention, for the same reason conservatives love right-wing African Americans like Herman Cain and Dr. Ben Carson: They defy a negative stereotype.

    After all, if liberals really stigmatized the religious, wouldn’t some of them have objected when John Kerry flaunted his Catholicism in 2004 or Barack Obama flaunted his adult embrace of Christianity in 2008? Is there a single example, even in the most liberal city or district, of one Democratic candidate trying to outdo the other by proclaiming herself more hostile to religious belief?

    I doubt it, because most secular liberals understand—even if Fox News commentators don’t—that America’s last acceptable religious prejudice isn’t against evangelical Christians. It’s against atheists. According to a 2008 poll, more than two-thirds of American atheists said they feared the repercussions in their community if they openly declared their belief that there is no god.
    Colonel Vogel : What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?

    Professor Henry Jones : It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *burning* them!

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    The article doesn't really address the issues that most Christians think about when they hear the phrase 'war on religion'. The article discusses the self-referential views of liberals about other liberals who discuss their own religious experience.

    A better title would be "Liberal Views on Liberal Religious Expression".
    "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
      The article doesn't really address the issues that most Christians think about when they hear the phrase 'war on religion'. The article discusses the self-referential views of liberals about other liberals who discuss their own religious experience.

      A better title would be "Liberal Views on Liberal Religious Expression".
      I have no doubt you think that.
      Colonel Vogel : What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?

      Professor Henry Jones : It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *burning* them!

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      • #4
        Ginger is right.

        But while they may feel proud of their views on religion-informed issues like evolution and gay marriage, they’re not particularly proud of their lack of religious observance per se
        I note that their views on birth control, gay marriage, and abortion are not apparently "religion-informed", if we count the major world religions.
        Think about military service, which is lionized more today than it was during the Vietnam War
        Umm...military service was not lionized at all during the Vietnam War. In fact, we could use a thesaurus to substitute just about any antonym for lionized.

        Liberals may dislike the political views that religious conservatives espouse, but they’re quite sympathetic to religion itself.
        No, they are quite sympathetic to any leftist religion that is anti-traditional Christianity, or even Judaism.
        Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
        Robert Southwell, S.J.

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        • #5
          I believe the article's point is being made here.
          Colonel Vogel : What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?

          Professor Henry Jones : It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *burning* them!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
            I believe the article's point is being made here.
            I have no doubt you think that.
            Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
            Robert Southwell, S.J.

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            • #7
              It looks like Bok won't engage on the substance of the article which actually underlines the unintentional point of the article.

              I believe our work here is done.
              "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
                I have doubt you think.
                Sorry, couldn't resist.
                Figured I do it before Frosty did.
                We are so fucked.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
                  It looks like Bok won't engage on the substance of the article which actually underlines the unintentional point of the article.

                  I believe our work here is done.
                  An article he posted no less.
                  If it pays, it stays

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by gary m View Post
                    Sorry, couldn't resist.
                    Figured I do it before Frosty did.
                    I would have never........
                    If it pays, it stays

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                      I believe the article's point is being made here.
                      Right. Because disagreeing with a nobody I've never heard of that managed to get an article published on the Internet makes ME wrong.

                      Is the author black? If so, feel free to go and call me a racist too.

                      Oy.
                      Science that cannot be questioned is propaganda.

                      Cameras in classrooms now.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by JB View Post
                        Right. Because disagreeing with a nobody I've never heard of that managed to get an article published on the Internet makes ME wrong.

                        Is the author black? If so, feel free to go and call me a racist too.

                        Oy.
                        I could if you like. If it would make you feel better. It would certainly go nicely with the theme of the article; a persecution complex in the face of an infuriating lack of persecution. I call it pining for the lions.
                        Colonel Vogel : What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?

                        Professor Henry Jones : It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *burning* them!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                          I could if you like. If it would make you feel better. It would certainly go nicely with the theme of the article; a persecution complex in the face of an infuriating lack of persecution. I call it pining for the lions.
                          River. Egypt.

                          You.
                          Science that cannot be questioned is propaganda.

                          Cameras in classrooms now.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JB View Post
                            River. Egypt.

                            You.
                            If only some Christians could get elected, or even, God willing, get on The Supreme Court, their right to worship freely would be protected.
                            Colonel Vogel : What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?

                            Professor Henry Jones : It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *burning* them!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                              If only some Christians could get elected, or even, God willing, get on The Supreme Court, their right to worship freely would be protected.
                              I simply thank God that we're winning the War on Religion.
                              Science that cannot be questioned is propaganda.

                              Cameras in classrooms now.

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