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    Finally, some good news:





    WASHINGTON – Forty-eight million Americans will have their food stamps benefits slashed starting Friday, when a recession-era boost in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistant Program (SNAP) expires.

    The move to cut back benefits will be the first wide-scale change to the program affecting nearly every single participant. The 13.6 percent cut comes out to about $36 a month less for a family of four getting government assistance or $420 a year, according to the Department of Agriculture.

    Since 2000, the costs for the plan have increased more than 358 percent.

    [....]

    "People are living at the margins," Ellen Vollinger, legal director and SNAP advocate at the Food Research and Action Center, an anti-hunger organization, told Reuters. "It's not an abstract metric for people. It's actual dollars to keep food in the refrigerator."

    The slash in the program also means less money for discount grocers, dollar stores and gas stations that rely on low-income shoppers.

    SNAP is the largest anti-hunger program in the country.
    Newsflash, people! It's well past time to stop having people buy their food from a damn gas station! This is a big part of why the program costs so damned much! These people need to either get in their cars (most of them) or else get on the bus and go to Wal-Mart or Kroger or anywhere BUT a gas station to buy their food. All of these "convenience markets" around the nation need to be systematically removed from the SNAP program entirely. They charge a freaking fortune and the people who are buying "food" there don't give a damn what it costs because someone else is paying for it.



    More details:

    Reductions vary, but for a family of four in Illinois currently receiving the maximum benefit of $668 per month, that amount will drop to $632. Meanwhile, a single person will see benefits lowered from a maximum of $200 per month to $189.
    $632 for food for a family of four per month? I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. $200 for a single person for food for a month is ridiculous. I'm a single person who doesn't get food stamps and my grocery bill is much closer to about $150 per month, and I'm not exactly eating rice and beans. And remember, the "S" in SNAP is 'supplementary," it's not intended to pay for someone's entire grocery bill. And yet, a family of four gets way, WAY more than enough to feed them three squares a day comfortably for a month on SNAP.


    I'm all for helping poor people, but this is absurd. First and foremost, the eligibility needs to be severely restricted. The biggest explosion in expenses of this program is the doubling of recipients over the last four or five years. That needs to be reversed, and fortunately, a lot of it is being reversed with the ending of the Failulous spending. It still needs to be restricted further, because there's still a shitload of abuse out there that needs to be stopped. First and foremost, what can be purchased with food stamps needs to be greatly curtailed. I've said this many times before, but it bears reiteration: staple items only, generic only, pretty much no prepared foods of any sort. Secondly, the whole notion that an able-bodied person gets food stamps needs to be chopped off at the knees. If you're able-bodied, you need to be out working. I really don't give a shit if you think that the job doesn't pay enough; get your sorry ass off the couch and go to work. The disability requirements need to be tightened up a lot, too: I know too many people who are "disabled" and getting multiple forms of government tit who still manage to go out and mow the lawn and, in one particular case I know of (though there are undoubtedly many, many more), buy new furniture with their monthly check and move it into their Section 8 housing themselves.

    This just has to stop. I know that this will make hyper-sensitive Leftists recoil in horror, but government assistance needs to be shameful again, like it used to be. There should be red lights and sirens that go off every time someone buys groceries with their food stamps. There should be a national registry of Section 8 housing and the people who live there. And while it should be redacted for identity-theft information (SSN, etc.), the tax returns of anyone who is on government assistance should be public information, searchable by anyone. If you file a tax return to take your EITC credit in order to get a huge "refund" of taxes that you didn't even pay, then you need to be subject to the scrutiny of the public. The people manage to be good stewards of public funds, even though the media often is not, and governments certainly are not. Let the people root out this stuff, and you'll put a stop to all of this fraud in no time flat.
    Bask in the warmth of the Deep South
    No one will be denied:
    Big law suits and bathroom toots;
    We're all getting Dixie-fried.
    But somewhere Hank and Lefty
    Are rollin' in their graves
    While kudzu vines grow over signs that read "Jesus Saves."

  • #2
    Fucking poor.
    "There are four lights!"

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
      Fucking poor grifters who mooch off the system meant to help those who genuinely need help.
      Fixed.
      Bask in the warmth of the Deep South
      No one will be denied:
      Big law suits and bathroom toots;
      We're all getting Dixie-fried.
      But somewhere Hank and Lefty
      Are rollin' in their graves
      While kudzu vines grow over signs that read "Jesus Saves."

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
        Fucking poor.
        Do you think increasing food stamps helps them not to be poor?
        Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
        Robert Southwell, S.J.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
          Do you think increasing food stamps helps them not to be poor?
          Gives them more chances to play the Powerball Lottery, so maybe.
          We are so fucked.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by gary m View Post
            Gives them more chances to play the Powerball Lottery, so maybe.
            Don't be ridiculous.


            Many states have MegaMillions instead of PowerBall.
            Bask in the warmth of the Deep South
            No one will be denied:
            Big law suits and bathroom toots;
            We're all getting Dixie-fried.
            But somewhere Hank and Lefty
            Are rollin' in their graves
            While kudzu vines grow over signs that read "Jesus Saves."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Adam View Post
              Don't be ridiculous.


              Many states have MegaMillions instead of PowerBall.
              In Michigan we have lots of poor people, so we have both.
              We are so fucked.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
                Do you think increasing food stamps helps them not to be poor?


                "I've been on food stamps and welfare. Did anybody help me out? No."
                Enjoy.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Adam View Post
                  Fixed.
                  One piece of the puzzle seems to come down to ideology and a passionate and unquestioning faith in "the market". If you are poor in a market system, this ideology implies you've done something wrong; you aren't productive; you don't deserve a better quality of life. You are probably a drug addict, a welfare queen, a slacker. (Remember "slackers" from the 2012 Presidential campaign?)
                  "There are four lights!"

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
                    Do you think increasing food stamps helps them not to be poor?
                    Can we talk about not decreasing them first?
                    "There are four lights!"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                      Can we talk about not decreasing them first?
                      Sure...will that help them not to be poor?
                      Not where I breathe, but where I love, I live...
                      Robert Southwell, S.J.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by phillygirl View Post
                        Sure...will that help them not to be poor?
                        Some yes, others no. My mother received government benefits when I was a kid. Helped her (and her many kids ... freaking baby factory gaming the system) not be poor. I am sure she isn't the only one.

                        Now a question for you. Will it help them have food?
                        "There are four lights!"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                          Can we talk about not decreasing them first?
                          Why?

                          SNAP is too generous and it encourages waste and fraud.

                          Over $600 per month for a family of 4? That's less per person than I spent on groceries when I was pinching pennies a few years ago (the first half of 2009 we paid salaries out of savings) and it still included steak twice a week.
                          "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."

                          -John Locke

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by scott View Post
                            Why?

                            SNAP is too generous and it encourages waste and fraud.
                            You are thinking of the derivatives market. Or maybe LIBOR or executive compensation. We are talking about feeding people.

                            Over $600 per month for a family of 4? That's less per person than I spent on groceries when I was pinching pennies a few years ago (the first half of 2009 we paid salaries out of savings) and it still included steak twice a week.
                            Are you sure that is accurate outside of Guam?
                            "There are four lights!"

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                              One piece of the puzzle seems to come down to ideology and a passionate and unquestioning faith in "the market". If you are poor in a market system, this ideology implies you've done something wrong; you aren't productive; you don't deserve a better quality of life. You are probably a drug addict, a welfare queen, a slacker. (Remember "slackers" from the 2012 Presidential campaign?)
                              I honestly believe none of that makes any difference at all in the long or short term.
                              I sincerely think that if you took all of the assets and wealth of every person in this country and divided it equally amongst every person in the country that within a relatively short period of time that those that were rich will again be rich and those that were poor will again be poor.

                              Poverty is not as much an economic condition as it is a (for lack of a better term that comes to mind) philosophical and psychological condition. There have always been "the poor" and there will always be "the poor". It will be made up of a subset of the ignorant, the lazy, the unlucky and the unfortunate. Some of them can be helped, some of them can't and some of them don't want to be.

                              I don't know what the answer is and I really wish that I did. What I do know is that the Federal governmental policies of the last 50+ years have been a miserable failure. We have more debt, more government, more programs, more class warfare and division and more poverty.
                              We are so fucked.

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