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  • #1

    If this doesn't move you, nothing will

    Putting this here because I'm reasonably certain that someone will get bent out of shape about it.






    And just for good measure: a picture of him abusing a kitten:

    It's been ten years since that lonely day I left you
    In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
    Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
    Pray for me, momma, I'm a gypsy now
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  • #2
    Looks like maybe a new friendship was formed between the two.
    May we raise children who love the unloved things - the dandelion, the worm, the spiderlings.
    Children who sense the rose needs the thorn and run into rainswept days the same way they turn towards the sun...
    And when they're grown and someone has to speak for those who have no voice,
    may they draw upon that wilder bond, those days of tending tender things and be the one.

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    • #3
      Why would anyone get bent out of shape over such a touching story? It's pretty much only in your fevered imagination that being anti-war (or anti a specific war) equates to thinking all soldiers are evil.

      I can thank a service member for his or her service and not agree with the politics that sent him/her to war.

      I can think the Iraq war was futile without believing that Iraq was better off under Hussein. Who even thinks that?

      I can understand this Iraqi's gratitude and not delude myself that he represents all or even most of his former country.
      "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
        Why would anyone get bent out of shape over such a touching story?
        I've been doing this a long time. I've seen threads as innocuous as "happy Thanksgiving" threads turn into complete burn-downs. One of the lessons I've long-since learned is that threads that involve Iraq in any way tend to turn into shouting matches over WMD and whether Bush = Hitler.

        Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
        It's pretty much only in your fevered imagination that being anti-war (or anti a specific war) equates to thinking all soldiers are evil.
        Errrr...

        I didn't say anything of the sort. Pretty sure it's not my imagination that's over-taxed here.

        Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
        I can thank a service member for his or her service and not agree with the politics that sent him/her to war.
        I know that you can, and do, just that.

        Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
        I can think the Iraq war was futile without believing that Iraq was better off under Hussein. Who even thinks that?
        A whole lot of people. Do the words "Michael Moore" ring a bell? The notion that Iraqis were much better off before we came along has enjoyed a resurgence lately with the increased violence there of late.

        Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
        I can understand this Iraqi's gratitude and not delude myself that he represents all or even most of his former country.
        Sounds a whole lot to me like, well, you're suggesting that a majority of the country thought they were better off under Saddam Hussein.
        It's been ten years since that lonely day I left you
        In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
        Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
        Pray for me, momma, I'm a gypsy now

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
          Why would anyone get bent out of shape over such a touching story? It's pretty much only in your fevered imagination that being anti-war (or anti a specific war) equates to thinking all soldiers are evil.

          I can thank a service member for his or her service and not agree with the politics that sent him/her to war.

          I can think the Iraq war was futile without believing that Iraq was better off under Hussein. Who even thinks that?

          I can understand this Iraqi's gratitude and not delude myself that he represents all or even most of his former country.
          Defensive much?
          "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
          -John Locke

          "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
          -Newman

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          • #6
            They are dragging this Super Bowl shit out so long I have ceased to care who is in it… as long as it's SF, DC, Dallas, KC, or Miami of course.
            The year's at the spring
            And day's at the morn;
            Morning's at seven;
            The hill-side's dew-pearled;
            The lark's on the wing;
            The snail's on the thorn:
            God's in his heaven—
            All's right with the world!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Adam View Post
              I've been doing this a long time. I've seen threads as innocuous as "happy Thanksgiving" threads turn into complete burn-downs. One of the lessons I've long-since learned is that threads that involve Iraq in any way tend to turn into shouting matches over WMD and whether Bush = Hitler.
              OK, whatever.

              Errrr...

              I didn't say anything of the sort. Pretty sure it's not my imagination that's over-taxed here.
              What, then, was the point of the snarky comment about him "abusing a kitten?"

              I know that you can, and do, just that.
              As can most rational people, I think. Really, even back here in California, I have yet to see anyone be rude to a service member or throw blood at a recruiting station or any of that crap that occasionally makes its way into discussions on internet bulletin boards.

              A whole lot of people. Do the words "Michael Moore" ring a bell? The notion that Iraqis were much better off before we came along has enjoyed a resurgence lately with the increased violence there of late.
              AFAIK, I've never actually seen or read anything by Michael Moore unless you posted it here. As for the underlying premise, I don't suppose most Iraqis are either better or worse off one way or the other. They live in a destroyed country that probably shouldn't be a country at all. Violence is apparently a way of life for at least a substantial proportion of them. My opposition is to wasting American lives to try to sort out their nasty little messes.

              Sounds a whole lot to me like, well, you're suggesting that a majority of the country thought they were better off under Saddam Hussein.
              "Better off" and "thought they were better off" are two very different things. Besides which, I don't really give a damn. When people behave like barbarians and don't threaten us, we should let them kill each other off. When they threaten us, we should use superior technology to remove the threat without committing to moving a backward country full of barbarians into the 21st century.
              "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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              • #8
                Originally posted by scott View Post
                Defensive much?
                Nope.
                "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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                • #9
                  I'm surprised that any of these "feel good" stories gain attention any more. My aunt pollutes Facebook with all kinds of mush that's supposed to be heartwarming. Some of it seems like it might have a basis in fact while other of it sounds like the pablum from Readers Digest circa 1967. A couple of people I know seem to be on mailing lists which pump this stuff out day and night.

                  None of this is intended to be disrespectful to a real soldier. Before the internet, we all heard stories like this word of mouth. A clock that stopped working when someone died is a favorite. Some noble warrior or celebrity doing something noble or kind for a stranger in some small town. With the internet, we are treated to a barrage of religious and political conversions, miracles, and amazing things. A person can't be faulted for being a tad jaded after awhile.
                  The year's at the spring
                  And day's at the morn;
                  Morning's at seven;
                  The hill-side's dew-pearled;
                  The lark's on the wing;
                  The snail's on the thorn:
                  God's in his heaven—
                  All's right with the world!

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                  • #10
                    Well, I, for one, am outraged. Who uses Twitter for long-form reporting?
                    Enjoy.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                      Well, I, for one, am outraged. Who uses Twitter for long-form reporting?
                      Hell, I can't believe there are adults who use twitter at all.
                      "Since the historic ruling, the Lovings have become icons for equality. Mildred released a statement on the 40th anniversary of the ruling in 2007: 'I am proud that Richard’s and my name is on a court case that can help reinforce the love, the commitment, the fairness, and the family that so many people, Black or white, young or old, gay or straight, seek in life. I support the freedom to marry for all. That’s what Loving, and loving, are all about.'." - Mildred Loving (Loving v. Virginia)

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