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    Only the Self-Reliant Remain Free
    Terry Jeffrey | Nov 20, 2013

    Who had more freedom?

    Was it the pioneer who rode horseback across the Midwest, settled in a wide-open space without paved roads, grocery stores or hospitals, and he had to build his own home, cultivate his own food and educate his own children?

    Or was it the less-adventuresome brother he left behind in an Eastern city who lived next door to a hospital, across the street from a public school and kitty corner from a grocery store -- but in his later years, he could only get to work if he rode a public transit line and if the transit line ran on time?

    I vote for the pioneer. He was not dependent on government. His brother was.

    Self-reliance and freedom are inseparable. Americans once knew this in their very souls. Now, coaxed by those with a socialistic vision of government, we are beginning to forget it. We are becoming ever more dependent on government and putting our freedom at risk.

    It is a simple as that.

    The Census Bureau recently published some remarkable data. As of the end of 2011, it said, there were approximately 151,014,000 who received one or more benefits from the federal government. That was 49 percent of the population of the country, which then stood at 306,804,000.

    Some of the people receiving federal benefits had paid payroll taxes their entire working lives in return for the privilege of living in government dependency during their retirement. 49,901,000 were on Social Security, according to the Census Bureau, and 46,440,000 were on Medicare.

    Others, however, were simply on the dole. 108,592,000 people in the United States as the end of 2011 were enrolled in one or more federal means-tested welfare programs, according to the Census Bureau. Those 108,592,000 welfare recipients out-numbered the 101,716,000 people who worked full time that year.

    For each person in this country who gets up each week day and goes to work, and works a long day, and does it week after week after week, there is now more than one other person who is living off the taxes that person and his fellow full-time workers pay and off the new net debt the Treasury must continually issue to cover the cost of a government that routinely exceeds tax revenues.

    The welfare takers, according to the Census Bureau, included, among others, 13,433,000 who relied on the government to provide them with housing or a subsidy for their housing, 49,073,000 who took food stamps, and 82,457,000 living in households on Medicaid.
    More.

    Townhall
    "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

  • #2
    Originally posted by Gingersnap View Post
    More.

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    The guy who cleans my beach has a grandson on Medicaid, TANF, lives in a Section 8 unit, and gets all the food he needs by EBT. He literally has no future because since he's poor, he can't afford to get a legal job since he'd lose his benefits. Since he can't do that, he won't start moving up the economic ladder. The guy who cleans my beach says the worst thing he ever for his grandson was take him to the Access Florida center for some temporary help and health insurance until he could find a job.

    This young man is lost to the government dole. He'd like to maybe do something in the future, but he doesn't think it's smart to give up a guarantee of lifetime security. He's got a point, I bust my ass working two jobs and I don't have the guarantees he has.
    "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."

    -John Locke

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    • #3
      Originally posted by scott View Post
      The guy who cleans my beach has a grandson on Medicaid, TANF, lives in a Section 8 unit, and gets all the food he needs by EBT. He literally has no future because since he's poor, he can't afford to get a legal job since he'd lose his benefits. Since he can't do that, he won't start moving up the economic ladder. The guy who cleans my beach says the worst thing he ever for his grandson was take him to the Access Florida center for some temporary help and health insurance until he could find a job.

      This young man is lost to the government dole. He'd like to maybe do something in the future, but he doesn't think it's smart to give up a guarantee of lifetime security. He's got a point, I bust my ass working two jobs and I don't have the guarantees he has.
      Same here. No guarantees. I'm changing careers shortly. I might crash and burn and that's the way it is. You can live as a sheep: free food, free medical, periodically used by your betters for things you can't imagine or you can be feral: wary, self-sufficient, outside the box.
      "Alexa, slaughter the fatted calf."

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      • #4
        More hate for the poor and working people.

        Meh.
        "There are four lights!"

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        • #5
          Who had more freedom?

          Was it the pioneer who rode horseback across the Midwest, settled in a wide-open space without paved roads, grocery stores or hospitals, and he had to build his own home, cultivate his own food and educate his own children?

          Or was it the less-adventuresome brother he left behind in an Eastern city who lived next door to a hospital, across the street from a public school and kitty corner from a grocery store -- but in his later years, he could only get to work if he rode a public transit line and if the transit line ran on time?

          I vote for the pioneer. He was not dependent on government. His brother was.


          My God, the stupid.
          "There are four lights!"

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
            More hate for the poor and working people.

            Meh.
            Yes, of course. Wishing that people could better themselves unfettered by the government is "hate."
            Bask in the warmth of the Deep South
            No one will be denied:
            Big law suits and bathroom toots;
            We're all getting Dixie-fried.
            But somewhere Hank and Lefty
            Are rollin' in their graves
            While kudzu vines grow over signs that read "Jesus Saves."

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            • #7
              "There are four lights!"

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                If you work three part-time jobs and still can't make enough to eat, then it's well-past time to pack your shit and move somewhere where you can get a full-time job that makes more money.
                Bask in the warmth of the Deep South
                No one will be denied:
                Big law suits and bathroom toots;
                We're all getting Dixie-fried.
                But somewhere Hank and Lefty
                Are rollin' in their graves
                While kudzu vines grow over signs that read "Jesus Saves."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by scott View Post
                  The guy who cleans my beach has a grandson on Medicaid, TANF, lives in a Section 8 unit, and gets all the food he needs by EBT. He literally has no future because since he's poor, he can't afford to get a legal job since he'd lose his benefits. Since he can't do that, he won't start moving up the economic ladder. The guy who cleans my beach says the worst thing he ever for his grandson was take him to the Access Florida center for some temporary help and health insurance until he could find a job.

                  This young man is lost to the government dole. He'd like to maybe do something in the future, but he doesn't think it's smart to give up a guarantee of lifetime security. He's got a point, I bust my ass working two jobs and I don't have the guarantees he has.
                  "Time Limits - Cash assistance is limited to a lifetime total of 48 months as an adult." Florida DCF.
                  "Think as I think," said a man,
                  "Or you are abominably wicked;
                  You are a toad."
                  And after I had thought of it,
                  I said: "I will, then, be a toad." - Stephen Crane

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
                    "Time Limits - Cash assistance is limited to a lifetime total of 48 months as an adult." Florida DCF.
                    "(except for child only cases, which have no time limit)."

                    And that's the usual "out:" "I'm not getting benefits; my son/grandson/nephew/random child who lives in my Section 8 housing is the one getting the benefits."
                    Bask in the warmth of the Deep South
                    No one will be denied:
                    Big law suits and bathroom toots;
                    We're all getting Dixie-fried.
                    But somewhere Hank and Lefty
                    Are rollin' in their graves
                    While kudzu vines grow over signs that read "Jesus Saves."

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Adam View Post
                      "(except for child only cases, which have no time limit)."

                      And that's the usual "out:" "I'm not getting benefits; my son/grandson/nephew/random child who lives in my Section 8 housing is the one getting the benefits."
                      Unless it has seriously changed, and I doubt that, "child only" cases are those where someone NOT legally responsible for the child's support is caring for it. The usual situations when I was a welfare worker involved either a foster parent, a relative or non-relative who did not have legal custody or a child living with a step-parent under very limited circumstances.

                      Really, Scott, your fantasy of people living high on welfare while you slave away is just that.
                      "Think as I think," said a man,
                      "Or you are abominably wicked;
                      You are a toad."
                      And after I had thought of it,
                      I said: "I will, then, be a toad." - Stephen Crane

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Adam View Post
                        If you work three part-time jobs and still can't make enough to eat, then it's well-past time to pack your shit and move somewhere where you can get a full-time job that makes more money.
                        Like I said in my original response ......
                        "There are four lights!"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                          More hate for the poor and working people.

                          Meh.
                          Where's the hate? I showed pity and gave the perspective of the guy's grandfather who is working.
                          "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."

                          -John Locke

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
                            "Time Limits - Cash assistance is limited to a lifetime total of 48 months as an adult." Florida DCF.
                            And yet he's been getting it for 6 years. Go figure.
                            "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."

                            -John Locke

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Celeste Chalfonte View Post
                              Unless it has seriously changed, and I doubt that, "child only" cases are those where someone NOT legally responsible for the child's support is caring for it. The usual situations when I was a welfare worker involved either a foster parent, a relative or non-relative who did not have legal custody or a child living with a step-parent under very limited circumstances.

                              Really, Scott, your fantasy of people living high on welfare while you slave away is just that.
                              You keep calling it a fantasy and I see people every few days that are living quite well, all on the dole.
                              "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."

                              -John Locke

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