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    Seth MacFarlane, Anti-Catholic



    Seth MacFarlane, well known atheist and cartoonist, is the executive producer of the remake of Cosmos, which recently made its national debut.

    The first episode featured, along with the science, an animated feature dealing with the sixteenth century Dominican friar Giordano Bruno, who was burned at the stake by Church officials. A brooding statue of Bruno stands today in the Campo de' Fiori in Rome on the very spot where the unfortunate friar was put to death. In MacFarlane's cartoon, Bruno is portrayed as a hero of modern science, and church officials are, without exception, depicted as wild-eyed fanatics and unthinking dogmatists.

    As I watched this piece, all I could think was... here we go again. Avatars of the modern ideology feel obligated to tell their great foundation myth over and over, and central to that narrative is that both the physical sciences and liberal political arrangements emerged only after a long twilight struggle against the reactionary forces of religion, especially the Catholic religion. Like the effigies brought out to be burned on Guy Fawkes Day, the bugbear of intolerant and violent Catholicism has to be exposed to ridicule on a regular basis.

    I will leave to the side for the moment the issue of liberal politics' relation to religion, but I feel obliged, once more, to expose the dangerous silliness of the view that Catholicism and the modern sciences are implacable foes. I would first observe that it is by no means accidental that the physical sciences in their modern form emerged when and where they did, that is to say, in the Europe of the 16th century. The great founders of modern science -- Copernicus, Galileo, Tycho Brache, Descartes, Pascal, etc. -- were formed in church-sponsored universities where they learned their mathematics, astronomy, and physics. Moreover, in those same universities, all of the founders would have imbibed the two fundamentally theological assumptions that made the modern sciences possible, namely, that the world is not divine -- and hence can be experimented upon rather than worshipped -- and that the world is imbued with intelligibility -- and hence can be understood.

    I say that these are theological presumptions, for they are both corollaries of the doctrine of creation. If God made the world in its entirety, then nothing in the world is divine; and if God made the world in its entirety, then every detail of the world is marked by the mind of the Creator. Without these two assumptions, the sciences as we know them will not, because they cannot, emerge.
    Colonel Vogel : What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?

    Professor Henry Jones : It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *burning* them!

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    The show itself has been very good so far. I knew it tweaked the melons of Protestant fundamentalists in the United States because of the Evolution part (the bit on the eye was incredible and I learned something new watching it) but I did not realize that it had upset Catholics as well. Perhaps they are tired of getting bagged on for that whole Galileo thing.
    Colonel Vogel : What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?

    Professor Henry Jones : It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *burning* them!

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    • #3
      Last time I checked, Seth MacFarlane was anti-pretty much everything that isn't Seth MacFarlane. He's a somewhat funny guy (Family Guy isn't nearly as funny as it used to be, and American Dad! seems to miss the mark a lot lately), but he's one of the most universally hate-filled people I have ever seen. Despite being forty years old, he's still an angst-filled teenager stomping through life mad at the world, convinced he knows better than everyone else. Frankly, he's just a pathetic person.
      It's been ten years since that lonely day I left you
      In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
      Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
      Pray for me, momma, I'm a gypsy now

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Adam View Post
        Last time I checked, Seth MacFarlane was anti-pretty much everything that isn't Seth MacFarlane. He's a somewhat funny guy (Family Guy isn't nearly as funny as it used to be, and American Dad! seems to miss the mark a lot lately), but he's one of the most universally hate-filled people I have ever seen. Despite being forty years old, he's still an angst-filled teenager stomping through life mad at the world, convinced he knows better than everyone else. Frankly, he's just a pathetic person.
        I really don't know him all that much. I watched Family Guy for a bit but other than that, he is just a name in the Ether like Simon Cowell.

        I was glad he got Cosmos produced but now that I think about it, I've seen more of Neil deGrasse Tyson in my life than Seth MacFarlane.
        Colonel Vogel : What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?

        Professor Henry Jones : It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *burning* them!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
          I really don't know him all that much. I watched Family Guy for a bit but other than that, he is just a name in the Ether like Simon Cowell.

          I was glad he got Cosmos produced but now that I think about it, I've seen more of Neil deGrasse Tyson in my life than Seth MacFarlane.
          I haven't watched Cosmos. I suppose I probably should dig it up on OnDemand this weekend or something and catch up. My parents forced me to watch the Carl Sagan version when I was then eight years old, and it absolutely bored me to tears. I probably harbor some deep-seated resentment over that or something. Anyway, I'm guessing it will be far more interesting to me now.
          It's been ten years since that lonely day I left you
          In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
          Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
          Pray for me, momma, I'm a gypsy now

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Adam View Post
            I haven't watched Cosmos. I suppose I probably should dig it up on OnDemand this weekend or something and catch up. My parents forced me to watch the Carl Sagan version when I was then eight years old, and it absolutely bored me to tears. I probably harbor some deep-seated resentment over that or something. Anyway, I'm guessing it will be far more interesting to me now.
            It was crack for me.

            But we watched The Dukes of Hazzard as well so I guess that makes me a Renaissance Man.
            Colonel Vogel : What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?

            Professor Henry Jones : It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *burning* them!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
              It was crack for me.

              But we watched The Dukes of Hazzard as well so I guess that makes me a Renaissance Man.
              Actual quote:

              "Scott, git offadat telescope - the Duke boys is comin' on!"

              My friend's Dad's actual birth given name was "Gator."

              "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
              -John Locke

              "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
              -Newman

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              • #8
                Originally posted by scott View Post
                Actual quote:

                "Scott, git offadat telescope - the Duke boys is comin' on!"

                My friend's Dad's actual birth given name was "Gator."

                That show is as much a cultural touch point as Schoolhouse Rock.

                I have not tried to go back and watch it like others, though. I wonder if it is truly awful.
                Colonel Vogel : What does the diary tell you that it doesn't tell us?

                Professor Henry Jones : It tells me, that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try *reading* books instead of *burning* them!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Billy Jingo View Post
                  That show is as much a cultural touch point as Schoolhouse Rock.

                  I have not tried to go back and watch it like others, though. I wonder if it is truly awful.
                  Every once in a blue moon I'll catch a re-run on TV Land or one of those. It's not quite so awful as I expected it to be, but it's close. Catherine Bach is still one fine-looking woman, though.
                  It's been ten years since that lonely day I left you
                  In the morning rain, smoking gun in hand
                  Ten lonely years but how my heart, it still remembers
                  Pray for me, momma, I'm a gypsy now

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Adam View Post
                    Last time I checked, Seth MacFarlane was anti-pretty much everything that isn't Seth MacFarlane. He's a somewhat funny guy (Family Guy isn't nearly as funny as it used to be, and American Dad! seems to miss the mark a lot lately), but he's one of the most universally hate-filled people I have ever seen. Despite being forty years old, he's still an angst-filled teenager stomping through life mad at the world, convinced he knows better than everyone else. Frankly, he's just a pathetic person.
                    Yeah, he's really sad. I would hate to be living his life. Not.
                    The year's at the spring
                    And day's at the morn;
                    Morning's at seven;
                    The hill-side's dew-pearled;
                    The lark's on the wing;
                    The snail's on the thorn:
                    God's in his heaven—
                    All's right with the world!

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                    • #11
                      Moreover, in those same universities, all of the founders would have imbibed the two fundamentally theological assumptions that made the modern sciences possible, namely, that the world is not divine -- and hence can be experimented upon rather than worshipped -- and that the world is imbued with intelligibility -- and hence can be understood.
                      Okay. Points for not having erected those particular boundaries, I guess. I don't see that Galileo would have been particularly held back if his neighbor chose to pray to the sun, though. Unless, of course, his neighbor's sun-worshiping religion had enough political clout to place him under house arrest and control his publications.
                      Enjoy.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                        Okay. Points for not having erected those particular boundaries, I guess. I don't see that Galileo would have been particularly held back if his neighbor chose to pray to the sun, though. Unless, of course, his neighbor's sun-worshiping religion had enough political clout to place him under house arrest and control his publications.
                        Religion or government?
                        "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
                        -John Locke

                        "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
                        -Newman

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                        • #13
                          I guess I might want to watch "Cosmos" and the movie "God's Not Dead" so I can see the kick-off of the new atheist vs. theist cat fights. I've been seeing some bickering lately.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by scott View Post
                            Religion or government?
                            Are you asking who put Galileo under house arrest?
                            Enjoy.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Norm dePlume View Post
                              Are you asking who put Galileo under house arrest?
                              Yes
                              "Faith is nothing but a firm assent of the mind : which, if it be regulated, as is our duty, cannot be afforded to anything but upon good reason, and so cannot be opposite to it."
                              -John Locke

                              "It's all been melded together into one giant, authoritarian, leftist scream."
                              -Newman

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